Ionization energy calculations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculations of ionization energy, particularly focusing on the differences in how ionization energy is defined and calculated for hydrogen versus multi-electron atoms. Participants explore the implications of electron-electron interactions and effective nuclear charge in these calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the ionization energy (IP) is not simply equal to the energy level of the electron as given by the formula E(electron) = -13.6(Z^2/n^2).
  • Others argue that for multi-electron atoms, the model of discrete energy levels is inadequate due to significant electron-electron repulsions.
  • A participant suggests that when one electron is ionized, the energy level of the remaining electrons also changes, complicating the calculation of ionization energy.
  • There is mention of the concept of effective nuclear charge (Zeff) and how it is used to account for electron-electron interactions in calculations.
  • Some participants note that using the formula IP = -13.6eV (Zeff^2/n^2) for the ionized electron may not be valid as it does not account for changes in energy due to decreased electron-electron repulsion.
  • One participant reflects on the crude approximations often used in estimating Zeff based on electron configuration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of using the energy level formula for ionization energy in multi-electron systems, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain on this topic.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumptions made regarding electron-electron interactions and the simplifications involved in calculating effective nuclear charge. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Why isn't the ionization energy of an electron equal to it's energy level such that:
E(electron)= -13.6(Z^2/n^2) = IP for that electron
But instead it is equal to the energy difference in energy between the atom and its ionized cation:
IP = E(A)-E(A+)
 
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fsci said:
Why isn't the ionization energy of an electron equal to it's energy level such that:
E(electron)= -13.6(Z^2/n^2) = IP for that electron
But instead it is equal to the energy difference in energy between the atom and its ionized cation:
IP = E(A)-E(A+)

For a hydrogen atom, this would be true (ignoring for the moment, things like the Lamb shift, etc.)

The problem with multi-electron atoms is that the "truth" is that the picture of electrons sitting in discrete energy levels given by the equation that you have above is not right. The primary problem is that electron-electron repulsions are present and are not insignificant. Imagine that you have a two-electron atom. How many electron-electron repulsions do you have to consider? You could apportion this interaction energy (50:50) to the two electrons to calculate an effective energy level for each electron. But when you ionize one electron, what happens to this interaction? The "energy level" of the remaining electron changes, too, no?

Chemists play all sorts of games to take into account the effect of electron-electron interactions. You will see things like Zeff (an effective nuclear charge) discussed. In other contexts, you will see fudge factors on "n" called a "quantum defect" -- where have I seen that before... no matter.

The ionization energy is, by definition, equal lto the energy required to ionize the atom, which is the Delta E for:

A ----> A+ + e-
 
Quantum Defect said:
For a hydrogen atom, this would be true (ignoring for the moment, things like the Lamb shift, etc.)

The problem with multi-electron atoms is that the "truth" is that the picture of electrons sitting in discrete energy levels given by the equation that you have above is not right. The primary problem is that electron-electron repulsions are present and are not insignificant. Imagine that you have a two-electron atom. How many electron-electron repulsions do you have to consider? You could apportion this interaction energy (50:50) to the two electrons to calculate an effective energy level for each electron. But when you ionize one electron, what happens to this interaction? The "energy level" of the remaining electron changes, too, no?

Chemists play all sorts of games to take into account the effect of electron-electron interactions. You will see things like Zeff (an effective nuclear charge) discussed. In other contexts, you will see fudge factors on "n" called a "quantum defect" -- where have I seen that before... no matter.

The ionization energy is, by definition, equal lto the energy required to ionize the atom, which is the Delta E for:

A ----> A+ + e-

Ahhhhhhh, that makes more sense now, thanks a ton!
So if I were to calculate E(A+) for the cation using the new Zeff values for the remaining electrons I am basically accounting for the decrease in electron-electron repulsion due to one less electron? And using IP= -13.6eV (Zeff^2/n^2) for the ionized electron does not make sense because it assumes there is no change in energy in the cation even though electron-electron repulsion has decreased?
 
fsci said:
Ahhhhhhh, that makes more sense now, thanks a ton!
So if I were to calculate E(A+) for the cation using the new Zeff values for the remaining electrons I am basically accounting for the decrease in electron-electron repulsion due to one less electron? And using IP= -13.6eV (Zeff^2/n^2) for the ionized electron does not make sense because it assumes there is no change in energy in the cation even though electron-electron repulsion has decreased?

I think that sometimes people calculate a Zeff from the IP, but remember that all of this is a fudge to take into account electron-electron repulsions. It is useful, to some extent, to compare the "shielding" provided by electrons -- Inorganic Chemistry textbooks sometimes talk about ways to estimate what Zeff is based upon the electron configuration. These are all pretty crude approximations.
 

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