Irrational numbers and Planck's constant

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The discussion revolves around the significance of irrational numbers, particularly Pi, in the context of physical constants such as the Planck constant. Participants explore whether computing these numbers to extensive decimal places has any practical or theoretical relevance, especially when considering the limits imposed by quantum physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the credibility of numbers extending beyond 34 decimal places, linking this to the limits of physical measurements defined by the Planck length and Planck time.
  • Another participant suggests that the relevance of computing Pi to many decimal places depends on the application, citing examples like Buffon's needle where Pi appears in unexpected contexts.
  • A different viewpoint is presented that Pi can serve as a source of pseudo-random numbers, indicating its utility beyond geometric applications.
  • One participant notes that abstract mathematics often lacks immediate physical significance, yet this does not deter mathematicians from pursuing such topics.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the relevance of irrational numbers in physics problems is contingent on the specific problem being addressed, suggesting a pragmatic approach to their use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the significance of irrational numbers in physical contexts, with no consensus reached on whether extensive decimal computation holds practical meaning.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying perspectives on the relationship between mathematics and physics, particularly regarding the applicability of abstract mathematical concepts in physical scenarios.

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[Mentor's note: this was originally posted in the Quantum Physics forum, so that is what "this section" means below.]

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I wasn't sure whether to post this question in this section or the general math section, so I just decided to do it here..

The question is, does it make sense to give any credulity to numbers that run on for more than 34 decimal places? I've thought about this for a while but that "Mile of Pi" video from numberphile that was just posted recently I think catalyzed this post:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/one-mile-of-pi.804514/#post-5050728

If we can't really talk about space less to the plank length (10^-35) and time less to the plank time (10^-43), then what does it really mean to compute Pi to one million decimal places?

So, in summary, does computing any irrational number to more than to the vicinity of the Planck constant have any physical meaning at all? What's the purpose?
 
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DiracPool said:
So, in summary, does computing any irrational number to more than to the vicinity of the Planck constant have any physical meaning at all? What's the purpose?

Depends on the application - pi turns up in all sorts of strange places having nothing to do with a circle eg Buffons needle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffon's_needle

Thanks
Bill
 
Pi is a fine source of pseudo-random numbers.
 
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It seems to me that there's lots of abstract mathematics that doesn't have a physical significance that we know of. That's never prevented mathematicians from being interested in such things. :biggrin:
 
That is a interesting question. From my point of view when your solving a physics problem I think it is only to what is reasonable to solve the problem. I was doing a problem in physics which required a answer from a geometry problem and some trigonometry for a electromagnetic wave. I guess it depends on the problem.
 

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