Irrational Numbers: Is It Possible?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of having an infinite string of the same digit within an irrational number, specifically questioning whether a number can contain an infinite sequence of a digit followed by other digits without becoming rational.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of having an infinite string of 5's within an irrational number, questioning if this could occur.
  • Another participant argues that having an infinite string of 5's followed by other digits is nonsensical, as it contradicts the definition of infinity.
  • A different participant states that if the sequence of digits following the 5's exists, then the string of 5's cannot be infinite, as it would imply termination.
  • Another contribution emphasizes the importance of understanding decimal expansions and sequences, asserting that adding an infinite number of 5's in the middle invalidates the concept of a sequence.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the feasibility of having an infinite string of digits within a number, with some asserting it is impossible while others explore the implications of such a concept.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the understanding of decimal expansions and the nature of infinite sequences, with unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of these concepts.

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Is it possible to have an infinite string of the same number in the middle of an irrational number?
For example could I have 1.2232355555555.....3434343232211
Where their was an infinite block of 5's. Then I was trying to think of ways to prove or disprove this. It does seem like it might not be able to happen because if I had an infinite a 5's in a row then it seems like it would be a rational number.
 
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The "number" you are speaking of is nonsensical. You can't have an infinite string of 5's, and then have numbers come after that. If there are infinitely many 5's, you can't add anything after that; because it would mean the string of 5's eventually terminates at some point, which violates the definition of "being infinite", or "not having an end". This makes all of your question nonsensical as a whole. Perhaps you meant something else, but couldn't phrase it properly?
 
If the 3434... part of the number exists, then the string of 5's before it terminates, hence not an infinite string.
 
You must be careful about what a decimal expansion actually is. Given a number ##x\geq 0##, a decimal expansion is a sequence

(x_0,~x_1,~x_2,~x_3,~...)

where ##x_0\in \mathbb{N}## and where ##0\leq x_i\leq 9## for ##i>0##. It must satisfy

x = x_0 + x_1\frac{1}{10} + x_2\frac{1}{10^2} + ...+ x_n \frac{1}{10^n}+...

What is a sequence? Well, it is a map ##f:\mathbb{N}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}##. We write ##f(n) = x_n##.

When you say you add an infinite number of ##5## in the middle, then this is invalid as it would not produce a sequence anymore. It is impossible to write something like that as a map from the naturals.
 
ok thanks
 

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