Irreducible polynomials over ring of integers

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The discussion revolves around the irreducibility of specific polynomials over the ring of integers, particularly those of the form f_n = x^n + x^{n-1} + ... + ax^k + ... + a, under certain conditions related to the coefficients and degrees. Participants explore various criteria and examples to assess the irreducibility of these polynomials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the specified polynomials are irreducible over the integers, noting that Eisenstein's criterion does not apply to them.
  • Another participant suggests that the general polynomial described may be related to cyclotomic polynomials, which are known to be irreducible, but acknowledges the need for a thorough proof.
  • A different participant asserts that the polynomials in question are not cyclotomic and provides a reformulation of the polynomial to illustrate this point.
  • One participant proposes a general technique for determining irreducibility using ideals in integral domains, suggesting a method of reducing mod n to analyze the polynomial's factors.
  • Another participant introduces Hilbert's Irreducibility Theorem as a potential criterion for irreducibility.
  • Kronecker's Method is also mentioned as another approach to consider.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the polynomials and their irreducibility, with no consensus reached on whether the original polynomials are irreducible or on the applicability of various criteria.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in the applicability of established irreducibility criteria to the specific polynomials discussed, and there is uncertainty regarding the relationship between the general form of the polynomial and known irreducible forms.

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Is it true that polynomials of the form :

f_n= x^n+x^{n-1}+\cdots+x^{k+1}+ax^k+ax^{k-1}+\cdots+a

where \gcd(n+1,k+1)=1 , a\in \mathbb{Z^{+}} , a is odd number , a>1, and a_1\neq 1

are irreducible over the ring of integers \mathbb{Z}?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenstein%27s_criterion" cannot be applied to the polynomials of this form.

Example :

The polynomial x^4+x^3+x^2+3x+3 is irreducible over the integers but none of the criteria above can be applied on this polynomial.

Thanks in advance...
 
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I hope this helps.

The polynomial x4+x3+x2+x +1 is the cyclotomic polynomial \Phi5(x). I believe the general polynomial that you described is also the monic cyclotomic polynomial \Phin(x) in Z[x] with degree \varphi(n). These polynomials are irreducible. The proof is a little tedious and not exactly immediate. Check out this paper

http://www.math.umn.edu/~garrett/m/algebra/notes/08.pdf

I think it does a pretty good job. Then again, if that general polynomial turns out to not be cyclotomic, I'll have to start over and come up with something new
 
These polynomials are not cyclotomic polynomials.
f_n can be rewritten into form :

f_n=\displaystyle \sum_{i=0}^n x^{i}+(a-1)\cdot \displaystyle \sum_{i=0}^k x^{i} ,or

f_n=\frac{x^{n+1}+(a-1)x^{k+1}-a}{x-1}
 
Maybe if you give a different example it would be easier to see. I don't really see much of a correlation between the general case and the example you gave. Anyways, you can always fall back on the general technique for finding irreduciblity.

Let I be a proper ideal in the integral domain R and let p(x) be the monic polynomial in R[x]. If the image of p(x) in (R/I)[x] cannot be factored in (R/I)[x] into two polynomials of smaller dgree, then p(x) is irreducible in R[x].

Start reducing mod some n and see where that gets you. If it's small degree then it's pretty obvious. A higher degree will probably take a little work. Unfortunately, this technique doesn't always work, but I can't think of any other irreducibility criteria.
 
Wait I just thought of another one: Hilbert's Irreducibility Theorem.
 
Also Kronecker's Method
 

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