Is 0.025 M Considered a Highly Concentrated Solution?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of solution concentration, specifically whether a 0.025 M solution can be classified as highly concentrated. Participants also explore the conversion of molarity to ppm for iron in groundwater, raising questions about the definitions and calculations involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a 0.025 M solution, derived from mixing 250 mL of acid with 10 L of water, can be considered concentrated, expressing uncertainty about the low concentration value.
  • Another participant suggests that to determine the final molarity, the concentration of the original acid solution must be known, indicating that the context of the acid's concentration is crucial.
  • A participant mentions that household vinegar, produced by the same dilution, is described as "a concentrated solution of weak acid," despite the calculated molarity seeming low.
  • There is a suggestion that the acetic acid referred to in the vinegar context is glacial acetic acid, which is nearly pure, thus complicating the classification of the resulting solution.
  • For the second question regarding Fe2+ concentration, participants discuss the need to convert molarity to g/L and then to ppm, with one participant providing a calculation that results in 502.65 ppm.
  • Another participant confirms the conversion steps for the Fe2+ concentration, indicating a method for arriving at the ppm value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on what constitutes a highly concentrated solution, with no consensus reached. The discussion on the conversion of Fe2+ concentration to ppm appears to have more agreement on the methodology, though specific calculations are still debated.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of context in defining solution concentration and the potential ambiguity in terms like "concentrated solution." There are also unresolved assumptions regarding the original concentration of the acid and the implications of using glacial acetic acid.

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Hi all, I have 2 short questions, that have caused me trouble in my study.

Firstly,
What is generally considered to be a highly concentrated solution?
eg. 250mL acid in 10L water.
This is 250E-3/10 = 0.25/10 = 0.025 M.
Would that be considered a concentrated solution? as it seems very low ...


Secondly,
In a sample of ground water, iron in the form of Fe2+ was found to have concentration 9.00E-3 M. Assuming the density of water is 1.00 gmL-1, what is the concentration of Fe2+ in ppm?
Now I'm not really sure what is going on here, but given the Fe2+ has a molar concentration of 9.00E-3, surely there is a way to convert that to gL-1 and then to mg/kg (ppm solute/solvent form)?
am i correct?
(just need to be lead on the right track there ...)

cheers
Steven
 
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steven10137 said:
Hi all, I have 2 short questions, that have caused me trouble in my study.

Firstly,
What is generally considered to be a highly concentrated solution?
eg. 250mL acid in 10L water.
This is 250E-3/10 = 0.25/10 = 0.025 M.
Would that be considered a concentrated solution? as it seems very low ...

Hey :smile:

To calculate the molarity of the final solution, youre going to need to know what the concentration of the original 250mL acid solution is, so you can find how many moles in the final solution.
 
Hey sup

The question for the first part I am working on doesn't actually state any other values for me to work with. It states; "Household vinegar can be produced by adding 250mL of acetic acid to 10L of pure water. Which of the following best describes the acetic acid".
The answer is; "a concentrated solution of weak acid"
Now what I worked out before (0.025M) I thought was pretty low for a high concentration.
Any ideas?
 
part a i got fine now... just another stupid misunderstanding ...

any other suggestions for part b?
 
For the second question, you are told the concentration of Fe+2 in mol/L. You should start by converting that to a concentration in g/L, and then g/mL. See if you can go from there.
 
Thanks for your help :)

[Fe2+]=0.009
=0.50265 g/L
=0.50265 x 10^3 mg/L
=502.65 mg/L
therefore
502.65 ppm

cheers
 
steven10137 said:
Hey sup

The question for the first part I am working on doesn't actually state any other values for me to work with. It states; "Household vinegar can be produced by adding 250mL of acetic acid to 10L of pure water. Which of the following best describes the acetic acid".
The answer is; "a concentrated solution of weak acid"
Now what I worked out before (0.025M) I thought was pretty low for a high concentration.
Any ideas?

The acetic acid referred to in the question is the glacial acetic acid used to make the more dilute vinegar (250 mL in 10L). It is essentially 100% acetic acid. Thus the 'concentrated solution of a weak acid" is the closest to the correct answer, however; it isn't really a solution at all since it is water-free. It's a pure compound.
 

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