Electrochemical Cells (involving partial pressures and pH)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the electromotive force (emf) of a voltaic cell involving the reaction of iron ions and oxygen, with a focus on the incorporation of partial pressures and pH into the Nernst equation. Participants explore the correct formulation of the reaction quotient (Q) and its implications for the emf calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a detailed attempt at calculating the emf using the Nernst equation, expressing uncertainty about how to incorporate pH and partial pressure of oxygen.
  • Another participant inquires about the Nernst equation for the formal potential of the half-cell reaction involving oxygen.
  • A later reply suggests that Q should use the partial pressure of the gas rather than concentration, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the initial calculations.
  • One participant recalculates Q using the partial pressure of oxygen and questions why partial pressure is preferred over concentration, raising concerns about the dimensionality of Q.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of activities in the context of calculating Q, noting that activities are dimensionless but can be approximated by concentrations under certain conditions.
  • There is a discussion about the standard state of gases, with a participant mentioning that the standard state is 1 bar, which may clarify the use of partial pressures in calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to construct Q, with some advocating for the use of partial pressures while others initially consider concentrations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to calculating Q and its implications for the emf.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about activities and concentrations, as well as the treatment of water in the reaction quotient. The discussion highlights the complexity of applying the Nernst equation in this context.

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Homework Statement


A voltaic cell utilises the following reaction:

4 Fe2+(aq) + O2(g) + 4 H+(aq) ---> 4 Fe3+(aq) + 2 H2O(l)

What is the emf of this cell when [Fe2+] = 1.3 M, [Fe3+] = 0.010 M, PO2 = 0.51 bar and the pH of the solution in the cathode is 3.5.

The standard reduction potentials for each half-reaction.

Fe3+(aq)+ e- ---> Fe2+(aq) Eored = +0.77 V

O2(g) + 4 H+(aq) + 4 e- ---> 2 H2O(l) Eored = +1.23 V

Homework Equations


## E = E^o - \frac{RT}{nF}ln|Q| ##

Q=[Products][Reactants]

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not exactly sure how to incorporate the pH and Partial pressure of oxygen into this equation, but I had a go.

## \frac{P}{RT} = C ##

## \frac{51}{(8.314)(298)} = C ##

## {0.027M = C} ##

C being the concentration of Oxygen:

Then proceeded to find the concentration of hydrogen
## pH = -log_{10}|[H^+]| ##

## 3.5 = -log_{10}|[H^+]| ##

## 10^{-3.5} = [H^+] ##

## 0.00032M = [H^+] ##

Then I found the half reactions for the redox reaction:

## 4Fe^{2+} \rightarrow 4Fe^{3+} + 4e^- ## ---- Oxidation (+0.77V)

## 4e^- + O_2 + 4H^+ \rightarrow 2H_2O ## ---- Reduction (+1.23V)

Hence,
## E^o = E_{reduction} - E_{oxidation} ##

## E^o = (1.23) - (0.77) ##

## E^o = 0.46V ##

Now to find Q (I think this is where my error could be, I'm not sure what to do with the water, but I figured the concentration may be 1?).

## Q = \frac{[products]}{[reactants]} ##

## Q = \frac{[Fe^{3+}]}{[H^+]^4[O_2][Fe^{2+}]^4} ##

## Q = \frac{(1*10^{-8})}{(0.00032)^4(0.027)(1.3)^4} ##

## Q = 1250 ## (rounded, obviously)

Now using the equation:
## E = E^o - \frac{RT}{nF}ln|Q| ##

## E = 0.46 - \frac{(8.314)(298)}{(4)(96485)}ln|1250| ##

## E = 0.46 - 0.0457 ##

## E = 0.41V ##

however, this is incorrect. The correct answer is:
0.37V
 
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miniradman said:
O2(g) + 4 H+(aq) + 4 e- ---> 2 H2O(l) Eored = +1.23 V

What is the Nernst equation for the formal potential of this half cell?
 
Ok...

## E = E^o - \frac{RT}{nF} ln| Q | ##

## Q = \frac{[H_2O]}{[O_2][H^+]^4} ##

## Q = \frac{1^2}{(0.00032)^4(0.027)} ##

## ln|Q| = 35.8 ##

so:

## E = (1.23) - \frac{(8.314)(298)}{(4)(96485)} (35.8) ##

## E = (1.23) - 0.230 = 1 ##

Hmm, and If I did the same with the other half cell?

I get ## E = 0.801 ##, but I digress...
 
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Q should use partial pressure of the gas, not the concentration.
 
Righto, I converted it to a Kpa, I just has a feeling that Bar is not a the correct unit of measurement.

## Q = \frac{1}{(51)^4(0.027)} ##

## ln|Q| = -11.9 ##

## E = 1.23 - \frac{(8.314)(298)}{(4)(96485)}(-11.9) ##

## E = 1.306V ##

Quick question, why do I use the partial pressure of Oxygen as opposed to concentration (## M ##), doesn't the ##Q## have to be dimensionless?
 
To confuse you further, is Q for

HA <-> H+ + A-

dimensionless?

Q should be constructed using not concentrations, but dimensionless activities. Activity of a substance - for a diluted solution - is approximately equal its concentration, so we typically omit the activity coefficients assuming it equals 1 - but in effect we also introduce dimensionality into the equation.
 
I see, I always assumed it to be dimensionless (as a ratio of concentration), since it's analogous to equilibrium constant.

I'm still not sure exactly sure how to calculate ##Q##
 
Standard state of a gas is 1 bar, so just putting 0.51 as a partial pressure of oxygen should work.
 

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