Is 8 Your Lucky Number and What Does It Mean?

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The thread explores participants' favorite numbers, discussing their personal significance, aesthetic appeal, and mathematical properties. The conversation touches on various aspects including luck, beauty, and symbolic meanings associated with different numbers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a preference for specific numbers based on their utility or beauty, such as zero for its usefulness and ##e## for its connection to differential equations.
  • One participant highlights the aesthetic qualities of the number 8, noting its resemblance to infinity when rotated.
  • Another participant mentions the number 42 humorously as a favorite, while others share personal anecdotes related to numbers like 39 and 25.
  • Discussion includes mathematical concepts, such as the imaginary unit i and its significance in the expansion of number systems.
  • Several participants mention the number 711, associating it with luck and convenience, while others express a fondness for numbers like 64 and 72 for their divisibility properties.
  • One participant shares a long numerical string, possibly as a playful representation of a large factorial, without further context.

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Participants express a variety of personal preferences and interpretations regarding numbers, with no clear consensus on which number is the "best" or "luckiest." Multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

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Some claims about the significance of numbers are based on personal experiences or aesthetic preferences, which may not be universally applicable or understood. The discussion includes both mathematical reasoning and subjective interpretations.

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What is your favorite number and why? Is it lucky? Mathematically or aesthetically beautiful? Symbolic?
 
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Zero. It's just so dang useful.
 
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I would say ##e##. Sorry, this choice is not very original, but its profound connection with differential equations and time evolution in general does it for me.
 
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Number 8. I think that is aesthetically beautiful, can be turned upside - down and still recognize it and turn it 90 degrees to the left or right and lo and behold: infinity!
 
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42, of course!
 
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##2##. I've always been fascinated by ##2+2=2\cdot2=2^2##. In addition it is the first "real" number, Peano's start off if you like, the first example of a characteristic ##\neq 0 ##, the reason why we can discuss this here, and last but not least: I like my Fermions.

Edit: And of course 4-O-9.
 
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δ = 4.669201 ... Feigenbaum's constant. Got me interested in fractals in the late 1980's. Wrote lots of code, wasted lots of paper and printer toner. Had a ton of fun. Side effect: Had to learn postscript language run an Apple graphics printer. Which I still use sometimes. Piddling around can sometimes create the need to learn new things.

@QuantumQuest Isn't the analemma a kind of "sideways" eight as well?
 
jim mcnamara said:
@QuantumQuest Isn't the analemma a kind of "sideways" eight as well?

Yes, but it is a diagram with the form of a slender figure-eight.
 
711! It must be really lucky.

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Instead of calculating a factorial one digit at a time, use this calculator to calculate the factorial n! of a number n. Enter an integer, up to 4 digits long. You will get the long integer answer and also the scientific notation for large factorials. You may want to copy the long integer answer result and paste it into another document to view it.

What is a Factorial?
A factorial is a function that multiplies a number by every number below it. For example 5!= 5*4*3*2*1=120. The function is used, among other things, to find the number of way “n” objects can be arranged.

Factorial
There are n! ways of arranging n distinct objects into an ordered sequence.
n
the set or population
In mathematics, there are n! ways to arrange n objects in sequence. "The factorial n! gives the number of ways in which n objects can be permuted."[1] For example:

  • 2 factorial is 2! = 2 x 1 = 2
    -- There are 2 different ways to arrange the numbers 1 through 2. {1,2,} and {2,1}.
  • 4 factorial is 4! = 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 = 24
    -- There are 24 different ways to arrange the numbers 1 through 4. {1,2,3,4}, {2,1,3,4}, {2,3,1,4}, {2,3,4,1}, {1,3,2,4}, etc.
  • 5 factorial is 5! = 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 = 120
  • 0 factorial is a definition: 0! = 1. There is exactly 1 way to arrange 0 objects.
Factorial Problem 1
How many different ways can the letters in the word “document” be arranged?

For this problem we simply take the number of letters in the word and find the factorial of that number. This works because
 
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Although probably not what the OP had in mind, I really like the imaginary unit i for its mathematical beauty.

Starting with the natural numbers, people have struggled with the expansion of the number system for centuries. Successive expansions can be put in a very elegant scheme, namely the introduction of new solutions to polynomial equations which didn't have solutions previously. For example the equation x + 1 = 0 doesn't have a solution using only natural numbers, but it has a solution if we introduce negative numbers.

Naturally, we may be interested in the question whether the process of inventing new numbers (negative numbers, fractions, irrationals, ...) comes to an end and it turns out it does. If we already have the real numbers, we mainly need to invent solutions for one additional type of polynomial equation: those where the square of x is a negative number. The easiest equation of this type is x^2 + 1 = 0 and its solution is called the imaginary unit i. So i kind of marks the end point of a long mathematical journey. (In technical terms, the complex numbers are said to be "algebraically closed".)

Viewed from a different angle, i allows us to treat the elements of the vector space \mathbb{R}^2 as numbers (more precisely we get the field of the complex numbers). This is really cool and remarkable and the additional structure leads to many powerful and beautiful theorems in complex analysis.
 
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The number 39 has recurred in my life. When I was growing up, my mum's house was number 39 and my grandmother's house was also 39 When I started work, my first place in Nottingham was number 39, and now in London I have the luxury of a shed out back for my bike, which is number 39.
 
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25, I love middle numbers (or numbers that end in 5) and it just so happened to be my jersey number when I was playing HS football.
 
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Here's another favorite number of mine:
$$ \omega = \inf_{ n \rightarrow \infty } \{ k \in \mathbb{R} \,\vert \, \text{ multiplications in }\mathbb{M}_n(\mathbb{R})\text{ can be done with } O(n^k) \text{ scalar multiplications } \}$$
 
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SW VandeCarr said:
711! It must be really lucky.
Not sure about bringing good luck, but there's definitely convenience!
 
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I've always liked 64. It's just aesthetically nice to me, not to big or small and can be repeatedly halved to make integers all the way back to 1. There's nothing rational about that I admit lol. 72 feels nice too, again not a very large or small number but can be easily divided by 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12, 18, 24 and 36.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
Not sure about bringing good luck, but there's definitely convenience!

711 implies convenience like the store. 711! is my lucky number but it is convenient to calculate it online nowadays. Poor Isaac Newton would have had to do it by hand. However, I've read that he enjoyed doing long tedious calculations.
 
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2, I honestly do not know why, but I've always liked that number ^^
 
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1. Simply because using it as the unit to count and measure has saved me time on a practical daily level. Without it, many simple things would take much longer and some things wouldn't be possible to do at all without a system to handle multiple things. What do other numbers mean without it? It is the backbone of modern civilization, really. A glorious number!
 
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kith said:
. So i kind of marks the end point of a long mathematical journey. (In technical terms, the complex numbers are said to be "algebraically closed".)

Viewed from a different angle, i allows us to treat the elements of the vector space \mathbb{R}^2 as numbers (more precisely we get the field of the complex numbers). This is really cool and remarkable and the additional structure leads to many powerful and beautiful theorems in complex analysis.
So there are no unsolvable equations in the complex numbers? I don't think so. In fact I've brought up one previously:

Y<1
Y+X<=1
Solve for X (That works for all reals.)

The last time I brought this up people were using dodges that sounded a lot more like politics then math. (Hence the reals stipulation above. )

As for my favorite number. Well, zero is my hero. :) And there appears to me more then one kind of zero in the reals.
 
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jackwhirl said:
Zero. It's just so dang useful.

Algr said:
Well, zero is my hero. :)
Mort Walker fans? "Me?" 555, "The Triple Nickel."
 
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Algr said:
So there are no unsolvable equations in the complex numbers?
No polynomial equations, yes. The precise statement is given by the fundamental theorem of algebra.

Algr said:
Y<1
Y+X<=1
That's not an equation but a set of inequalities.
 
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Two.
 
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kith said:
That's not an equation but a set of inequalities

But it is the clearest way to describe the issue, and I'm sure you can see the intent.
 
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Algr said:
But it is the clearest way to describe the issue, and I'm sure you can see the intent.
No, I can't see what concerns you. The fundamental theorem of algebra tells us that every polynomial equation has a solution in the complex numbers. If we drop the constraint that our equation needs to be a polynomial equation, it is easy to construct examples which don't have a solution in the complex numbers. For example, \sin(|z|) = 2.

I don't see an issue here and I don't understand why you bring up inequalities in response to these statements about equations.

Also this is getting off topic. If you want to discuss it further, you should open a new thread or ask the mentors to fork our discussion from this thread.
 
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71
 
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##4##
 
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73
 
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##J = (7^{e - 1/e} - 9) \cdot \pi^{2} ##
 

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