Is (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) Always Less Than Zero in the Binomial Theorem?

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The discussion revolves around the inequality involving the binomial theorem, specifically whether the expression (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) is always less than zero. Participants explore various cases and conditions under which this inequality may hold or fail, examining the implications of different values for a, b, and n.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the inequality's validity depends on the specific values of a, b, and n, indicating that in some cases, a^n + b^n may be greater than (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n.
  • One participant proposes testing numerical examples to find counterexamples, hinting that simple cases like a=1 and b=1 could be revealing.
  • Another participant emphasizes that if a and b are both greater than 1, then a^n + b^n should be greater than (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n), although this reasoning is challenged by others.
  • Some participants express confusion over the original question's clarity and suggest that the original poster (OP) clarify their intent.
  • There are mentions of specific cases where the inequality may not hold, such as when a=1, b=2, and n=3, or a=2, b=3, and n=4, indicating potential counterexamples.
  • Questions arise regarding the possibility of a and b being less than 1 or negative, with examples provided for various values of n.
  • One participant points out that the inequality can be rewritten in a different form, which has been shown to be false for many cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the inequality. Multiple competing views are presented, with some arguing for its validity under certain conditions while others provide counterexamples that challenge this notion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the values of a, b, and n, as well as the clarity of the original question posed by the OP. The discussion reflects a range of mathematical reasoning and interpretations that remain unresolved.

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Thank you in advance, I need help proving or disproving this. In the binomial theorem, with a power (a+b)^n, I need to prove that a^n + b^n is greater than the rest, or in other words, (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n).
 
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eddybob123 said:
Thank you in advance, I need help proving or disproving this. In the binomial theorem, with a power (a+b)^n, I need to prove that a^n + b^n is greater than the rest, or in other words, (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n).



Uh? I think you forgot to add some info and/or to write some symbols, as it seems to the question doesn't make sense as it is.

DonAntonio
 
It depends on what you use for a,b, and n. In some cases, a^n + b^n will be greater than "the rest", in others, it won't.
 
I think you mean that you want to prove that [itex](a+ b)^n- (a^n+ b^n)[/itex] is positive. As Matt Benesi said, that depends upon what a and b are.
 
If the statement is suspicious, the first thing is to try a few numerical examples, to try to find a counterexample. Here is a hint: 1+1=2. :)

P.S.: My understanding is that the OP tries to prove or disprove[tex]a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n)[/tex]
 
Dodo said:
If the statement is suspicious, the first thing is to try a few numerical examples, to try to find a counterexample. Here is a hint: 1+1=2. :)

P.S.: My understanding is that the OP tries to prove or disprove[tex]a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n)[/tex]



Too many assumptions: shall we let the OP to tell us what he meant, please?

DonAntonio
 
Dodo said:
If the statement is suspicious, the first thing is to try a few numerical examples, to try to find a counterexample. Here is a hint: 1+1=2. :)

P.S.: My understanding is that the OP tries to prove or disprove[tex]a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n)[/tex]

That is correct. It can also be assumed that a and b do not equal 1.
 
Dodo said:
If the statement is suspicious, the first thing is to try a few numerical examples, to try to find a counterexample. Here is a hint: 1+1=2. :)

P.S.: My understanding is that the OP tries to prove or disprove[tex]a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n)[/tex]



Since the OP already wrote a post saying this is correct, this is the same as [tex]2(a^n+b^n)>(a+b)^n[/tex] which is greatly false, for example: for [itex]\,\,a=1\,,\,b=2\,,\,n=3\,\,,\,\,or\,\,a=2\,,\,b=3\,,\,n=4\,\,[/itex] , and infinite counterexamples more.

DonAntonio
 
Question: can a and b be less than 1? Can they be negative?

Just some interesting cases: in all of these cases, x^n+y^n = "all the rest".

n=2 and a=b.

For n=3 we have [itex]x=-y[/itex], [itex]x=y\times\left[2-\sqrt{3}\right][/itex], [itex]x=y\times\left[2+\sqrt{3}\right][/itex].

Getting more complicated for n=4, just one example (out of 4):
[tex]x=\sqrt{2\,\sqrt{3}+3}\,y+\sqrt{3}\,y+y[/tex]
or to preserve the format used above:
[tex]x=y\times\left[\sqrt{2\,\sqrt{3}+3}\,+\sqrt{3}\,+1\right][/tex]
 
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a and b both must be integral and greater than 1. (a^n + b^n) must be greater than (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) by obvious reasoning. First of all, the two terms, a^n and b^n, contains the highest power of the binomial expansion. The next highest power,n-1, should be greater than a^n or b^n only when n is greater than the following coefficient
 
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eddybob123 said:
a and b both must be integral and greater than 1. (a^n + b^n) must be greater than (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) by obvious reasoning. First of all, the two terms, a^n and b^n, contains the highest power of the binomial expansion. The next highest power,n-1, should be greater than a^n or b^n only when n is greater than the following coefficient



Either you don't understand mathematically what is going on here or else you're misunderstanding and/or misreading big time

the inequality you want/must prove.

You wrote above "(a^n + b^n) must be greater than (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) by obvious reasoning", which means Gauss knows what, but

this inequality is [itex]\,\,a^n+b^n>(a+b)^n-(a^n+b^n)\Longleftrightarrow 2(a^n+b^n)>(a+b)^n\,\,[/itex] , which already was show to be

false for lots and lots of options...Please do read and write carefully what you exactly want to achieve.

DonAntonio
 
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Please state exactly what you want to prove.
 

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