Is (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) Always Less Than Zero in the Binomial Theorem?

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Thank you in advance, I need help proving or disproving this. In the binomial theorem, with a power (a+b)^n, I need to prove that a^n + b^n is greater than the rest, or in other words, (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n).
 
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eddybob123 said:
Thank you in advance, I need help proving or disproving this. In the binomial theorem, with a power (a+b)^n, I need to prove that a^n + b^n is greater than the rest, or in other words, (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n).



Uh? I think you forgot to add some info and/or to write some symbols, as it seems to the question doesn't make sense as it is.

DonAntonio
 
It depends on what you use for a,b, and n. In some cases, a^n + b^n will be greater than "the rest", in others, it won't.
 
If the statement is suspicious, the first thing is to try a few numerical examples, to try to find a counterexample. Here is a hint: 1+1=2. :)

P.S.: My understanding is that the OP tries to prove or disprove[tex]a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n)[/tex]
 
Dodo said:
If the statement is suspicious, the first thing is to try a few numerical examples, to try to find a counterexample. Here is a hint: 1+1=2. :)

P.S.: My understanding is that the OP tries to prove or disprove[tex]a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n)[/tex]



Too many assumptions: shall we let the OP to tell us what he meant, please?

DonAntonio
 
Dodo said:
If the statement is suspicious, the first thing is to try a few numerical examples, to try to find a counterexample. Here is a hint: 1+1=2. :)

P.S.: My understanding is that the OP tries to prove or disprove[tex]a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n)[/tex]

That is correct. It can also be assumed that a and b do not equal 1.
 
Dodo said:
If the statement is suspicious, the first thing is to try a few numerical examples, to try to find a counterexample. Here is a hint: 1+1=2. :)

P.S.: My understanding is that the OP tries to prove or disprove[tex]a^n + b^n > (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n)[/tex]



Since the OP already wrote a post saying this is correct, this is the same as [tex]2(a^n+b^n)>(a+b)^n[/tex] which is greatly false, for example: for [itex]\,\,a=1\,,\,b=2\,,\,n=3\,\,,\,\,or\,\,a=2\,,\,b=3\,,\,n=4\,\,[/itex] , and infinite counterexamples more.

DonAntonio
 
Question: can a and b be less than 1? Can they be negative?

Just some interesting cases: in all of these cases, x^n+y^n = "all the rest".

n=2 and a=b.

For n=3 we have [itex]x=-y[/itex], [itex]x=y\times\left[2-\sqrt{3}\right][/itex], [itex]x=y\times\left[2+\sqrt{3}\right][/itex].

Getting more complicated for n=4, just one example (out of 4):
[tex]x=\sqrt{2\,\sqrt{3}+3}\,y+\sqrt{3}\,y+y[/tex]
or to preserve the format used above:
[tex]x=y\times\left[\sqrt{2\,\sqrt{3}+3}\,+\sqrt{3}\,+1\right][/tex]
 
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a and b both must be integral and greater than 1. (a^n + b^n) must be greater than (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) by obvious reasoning. First of all, the two terms, a^n and b^n, contains the highest power of the binomial expansion. The next highest power,n-1, should be greater than a^n or b^n only when n is greater than the following coefficient
 
eddybob123 said:
a and b both must be integral and greater than 1. (a^n + b^n) must be greater than (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) by obvious reasoning. First of all, the two terms, a^n and b^n, contains the highest power of the binomial expansion. The next highest power,n-1, should be greater than a^n or b^n only when n is greater than the following coefficient



Either you don't understand mathematically what is going on here or else you're misunderstanding and/or misreading big time

the inequality you want/must prove.

You wrote above "(a^n + b^n) must be greater than (a+b)^n - (a^n + b^n) by obvious reasoning", which means Gauss knows what, but

this inequality is [itex]\,\,a^n+b^n>(a+b)^n-(a^n+b^n)\Longleftrightarrow 2(a^n+b^n)>(a+b)^n\,\,[/itex] , which already was show to be

false for lots and lots of options...Please do read and write carefully what you exactly want to achieve.

DonAntonio