Is a B.Sc in Physics a Better Choice for an Academic Career in India?

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A B.Sc in Physics is often considered a better option for those pursuing an academic career in India, particularly for aspiring astrophysicists. While some students express interest in B.Tech programs, they acknowledge the challenges of integrating physics studies alongside engineering. Distance learning for a B.Sc is viewed skeptically due to the interactive nature of physics, with many recommending traditional programs for better preparation for graduate studies. Institutions like IISc and IITs offer strong physics programs that can lead to successful academic careers. Ultimately, students are encouraged to prioritize their passion for physics and consider their long-term goals when choosing their educational path.
  • #31
I think it is not all about degree. One if really wants from heart can touch any sky. Engineerin in electronics very close to phy. In India doing b.sc. M.sc means suffering from financial problems. I think we all from middle class families or atleast i am. Therefore, money also matters. Life is quite long. I am interested in astronomy and want to be an astrophysicist. I also like robotics and computing. And i feel that combination of astronomy and electronics is good. And if one also want degree, then engineering students are also eligible for pg and doctoral courses in any field of phy even through IISC by cracking jest.
 
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maverick280857 said:
I seriously doubt your claim that "it is predominantly physics".
buddy, I could show you my curriculum :)
(No offense, just trying to clarify things.)
 
  • #33
graphene said:
buddy, I could show you my curriculum :)
(No offense, just trying to clarify things.)

If it is, then good for you..things might have changed in the past few years. When I was contemplating an engineering physics major, I was advised by professors that it would at best be a compromise between engineering and physics. I also happened to take a good look at the curriculum back then, and it wasn't quite all of physics. This was about 5 years ago. As I was more interested in electronics and devices at the time, I chose to study EE because I wanted to go to a particular college. And then I took two courses in QM, one on QFT, one on relativity and one on particle physics. I had enough time to study physics during my vacations, and my instructors felt I would manage the upper division courses. I'd say I was pretty lucky! I don't suggest this to anyone though, because its obviously a non-ideal way of learning. But if someone just isn't able to do physics, it doesn't mean he or she has burnt bridges by doing engineering.

As far as I know, a proper undergraduate physics curriculum (e.g. one at your undergrad institution, and mine) involves courses in Classical Mechanics at the level of Goldstein, two courses on Quantum Mechanics at the level of Griffiths/Sakurai/etc, two courses on Classical Electromagnetism at the level of Griffiths and Jackson, a course on Thermal Physics at the level of Reif/Schroeder, a course on Statistical Physics at the level of Reif/Landau, and possibly a course on relativity at the level of Rindler/Weinberg. Well, at least this is the system at IIT Kanpur. I have cut out the courses on atomic and nuclear physics, condensed matter physics, field theory, and a few other things which they also do here, which are things people in a BSc Hons physics program typically do not do, so that the comparison is even.

If these, or at least one course each in CM, EM, QM, SM are part of your engineering physics curriculum, then its awesome! I wish I had them as my 'core' subjects :-)

No offense taken by the way, I am someone who would advocate a very strong integration between engineering and physics departments in India. As a graduate student in physics, I have heard both sides of the argument, and was personally quite disturbed/disillusioned to see the compartmentalization while I was an undergraduate. If you, as an engineering physics major in India, are able to get exposure to enough undergrad physics while still also doing engineering, it speaks volumes of the changes that the system has taken in the positive direction.

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PS: This thread runs the risk of becoming centrifugal as far as the original query is concerned, since the question was directed toward a choice between 'BTech' and 'BSc' and not 'BTech' in a specific engineering field and 'BSc'. Since others are likely to refer to it in future for 'comments' and 'suggestions', let's agree to conclude it on the following notes (and I think graphene, you will agree with me here):

[Directed to aim1732 in particular]

1. If you are sure you want to study physics, join an undergrad program in physics. Make sure you go to a school that has a good reputation, and a good track record. Make sure its recognized by graduate schools you want to go to. You don't want to end up in a college/university where strikes and political upheavals govern whether you can study the spectrum of a finite square well..

2. If you are not sure of your interests in physics at this time, and feel more inclined toward engineering, join the engineering program most suited to your tastes (this is the only 'recipe' that works!). Later on, if your interests change, you can switch, provided you put in some extra effort.
 
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  • #34
Thanks everyone.
 
  • #35
I was wondering on this thread was still around.It's judgement time for me now.
 
  • #36
so what's ur final decision?
 
  • #37
According to my opinion you should go for b.tech.
buy pearls
 
  • #38
jannyaala said:
According to my opinion you should go for b.tech.



buy pearls

So that he can sell pearls? :-p
 
  • #39
I bet a lot of PFers will buy my pearls if I so a B.Tech from an IIT.:biggrin:
 
  • #40
Aiman..is it possible to pusue M.Tech after integrated M.Sc. in physics..i mean is it really of any advantage?
 
  • #41
i actually wanted the advice of you guys about pusuing an integrated M.Sc. in physics from NIT..??
 
  • #42
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Where is integrated M.Sc in this?:confused:
 
  • #43
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If this helps IIT JEE brochure clearly mentions those courses.Either CBSE is to lazy or you are mistaken.
 
  • #44
How's EXTC? Thinking of pursuing that...
 
  • #45
Aiman..go to NIT ROURKELA'S website...U"ll get it there.
 
  • #46
i think..its under construction...trying to find a link..
 
  • #47
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3.aglasem.com/nits/nit.../BTech_5yr_MTech_Dual_degree_5yr_Integrated_MSc.pdf (most imp. link)
check this out.
 
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  • #48
Is it advisable to look for the desired college or the desired course? And is there any scope in EXTC in India?
 
  • #49
Not to discourage any future comments but i am pleased to inform all of you that the OP got the integrated M.Sc in physics at IIT Roorkee.Thank you all for helping shape my opinion and also that of my parents.Special thanks to maverick280857 and graphene.
 
  • #50
Hello people...I am back again with a different problem.I have been enrolled in this Integrated M.Sc(Physics) course at IIT-Roorkee for a year.I am pretty settled here but on the basis of some fellowship exam I qualified(KVPY) conducted by IISc Bangalore, I am now getting an offer from them to join their 4-year BS UG course.
IISc was my best option last year but now that I am enrolled here it seems very difficult to leave this place.I have performed quite well in my academics, I am working on a project with one of the best professors of my department this summer and I have also been selected as an NIUS scholar at TIFR.I ahve also made friends.
Also they are offering me a B.S with no specialization initially.That means your major is decided after the third sem on basis of your marks and interests.But I am so desperate for physics that I don't think I can take any other major if I don't get physics.I am wondering whether its worth taking the risk.I mean IISc is the best option for a science student like me but I have a settled existence here and uncertainty there.
Hoping the people associated with this thread wil come together to advise me again.I am confused~!
 
  • #51
You've already started your second year in the M.Sc course, is that correct?

I think you'd be wasting your time - especially seeing as you're happy and doing well in you current program - to start again from scratch elsewhere. It will take you longer as well! If you're in the second year now, you've three years left. If you go to IISc, you'll have 4 more years of undergrad. Even if you're still in the first year, it wouldn't make sense to shift for the first reason. You also have a research project and this program at TIFR lined up! I haven't started college yet, so take what I say with a pinch (or lots of?) of salt but I think things are looking good for you. Why even consider moving at all?

Try asking a faculty member in the physics department at Roorkee where there recent M.Sc graduates have ended up. You might also want to take a look at physicsgre.com
 
  • #52
No actually the time span is not a program is not an issue.I will start my second year third sem in July and have four years left in the course.If I go for the IISc course,it will take the same four years.Also that BS is equivalent to an M.Sc that is I can directly go for Ph.D.

And I have talked to many professors including my project guide.They have explicitly said that IISc is better, although one of them did express reservations about the shorter duration of the course.
 
  • #53
Them claiming it to be an equivalent degree does not make it so. I'm not certain on how Indian degrees are perceived but as far as I'm aware, a 5-year M.Sc degree is a master's degree and a 4-year B.S is a bachelor's degree!

Sure, you may enter a PhD program with either degree, but switching to the other degree would mean starting again from *scratch*. You will have to take all the introductory courses a second time and you may or may not get a seat in the physics program at IISc! Now, if you aren't comfortable with your previous courses, then starting afresh may be a good move but it would seem that you're doing well, considering you have research projects.

IISc may be "better" (I don't know/care). However, the more pertinent question, in my opinion, is "how far better is it going to be for you?". The goal is to do physics and then keep doing physics in grad school, correct? How is IIT Roorkee hindering you here? You're doing physics right now and you *seem* to be doing well. If you keep doing well, you will be doing a PhD in physics *somewhere*. Again, find out where IIT-R physics graduates have ended up for their PhD.

You asked for opinions, here is mine: starting the degree again looks like a bad idea.
 
  • #54
You are very right.But
1.IIT-R is not so great when it comes to physics.Physics graduates from the Integrated M.Sc course(who had entered through JEE) have gone for consultancy jobs rather than Ph.D. Of-course we have had just one batch passing out just last year so that extrapolation may be quite incorrect.
2.IISc is the best science institute in India and I don't think there should be any trouble as far as the acceptability of the BS course is concerned.

The more I read your reply the more I feel it is a bad idea.But I have some solid reasons to prefer leaving my present course.These things just get in the way.It is a risky move but also worth it.
 

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