Is a black hole black from all directions?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of black holes, specifically whether they appear black from all directions and the implications of their geometry on visibility. Participants explore theoretical aspects, including the effects of angular momentum and charge, as well as the representation of black holes in visual media.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that black holes are often misrepresented as funnels, emphasizing that they curve spacetime rather than having a directional "funnel" shape.
  • It is proposed that whether a black hole is black from all directions depends on its properties, such as angular momentum and charge.
  • One participant notes that a typical non-rotating black hole would appear as a black sphere, surrounded by gravitational lensing effects.
  • Another participant mentions that black holes do not emit electromagnetic radiation, making them invisible, but they can be detected indirectly through gravitational lensing and emissions from accretion disks.
  • There is a discussion about the isotropic nature of gravity from black holes, with some suggesting that this is true for Schwarzschild black holes, while others caution that rotating black holes do not maintain spherical symmetry.
  • A participant highlights the conceptual understanding that black holes are not merely objects in space but are fundamentally tied to the geometry of spacetime itself.

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Participants express differing views on the visibility of black holes and the implications of their geometry, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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Participants reference various types of black holes, such as Schwarzschild and rotating black holes, and discuss the limitations of visual representations in conveying their true nature. The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of black holes that may not be universally accepted.

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Black holes are usually shown as funnels. Is there one "funnel" pointing in a single direction or are there event horizons and "funnels" seen from every direction?
 
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There are no such funnels; what they are showing you in that classic image is that a black hole curves spacetime quite drastically, to the point of "infinity" (not to be taken literally however.) It simply attempts to show you in three dimensions what actually happens in four.

As for the question if they are black from all directions, the answer is, preliminarily, both yes and no. It depends on whether the black hole has angular momentum (and I *think* also charge) and if a singularity can, other than in theory, be effectively "naked" (ie. observable.) If you are thinking of the typical non-rotating black hole, then you'd see a black sphere - and of course a lot of gravitational lensing of the background around it.
 
A black hole, by definition, does not emit EM radiation. In that sense it is invisible in all directions. There are, of course, caveats. It is still indirectly detectable via gravitational lensing of background radiation and by emissions from any accretion disk it may possess. Typically, accretion disk emissions are most easily detected at high frequency wavelengths.
 
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There are no such funnels; what they are showing you in that classic image is that a black hole curves spacetime quite drastically, to the point of "infinity" (not to be taken literally however.) It simply attempts to show you in three dimensions what actually happens in four.

As for the question if they are black from all directions, the answer is, preliminarily, both yes and no. It depends on whether the black hole has angular momentum (and I *think* also charge) and if a singularity can, other than in theory, be effectively "naked" (ie. observable.) If you are thinking of the typical non-rotating black hole, then you'd see a black sphere - and of course a lot of gravitational lensing of the background around it.

So a black hole is an isotopic gravity source? Space-time is uniformly warped in all directions?
 
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So a black hole is an isotopic gravity source? Space-time is uniformly warped in all directions?

A Schwartzchild black hole? Yes. As for the others, I would not risk an answer. You should really investigate the whole subject of rotating black holes and naked singularities, that's where your answer is at. Anyway, just keep in mind the funnel image is just a representation; a black hole does not behave any differently than any other concentration of mass - they all warp spacetime. There is no sun-funnel, no Earth-funnel and no black hole funnel. If you'd always see a black hole/circle/sphere from any angle or a bizarre oval or anything else, it depends on whether it rotates or not at the very least.
 
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!Jon Snow! said:
So a black hole is an isotopic gravity source? Space-time is uniformly warped in all directions?

As a guywithdoubts said, this is only true of Schwarzschild black holes. A rotating black hole is not spherically symmetric and therefore neither is the rotating space-time it generates. The same goes for rotating stars. However it must be emphasized that black holes are not objects sitting in space like stars. A black hole is space-time geometry itself. You must keep this in mind so as to not confuse yourself conceptually.

I couldn't resist quoting this beautiful statement from Chandrasekhar: The black holes of nature are the most perfect macroscopic objects there are in the universe: the only elements in their construction are our concepts of space and time.
 
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