Is a Concave, Nondecreasing, and Bounded Function on [0, ∞) Always Continuous?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether a function that is concave, nondecreasing, and bounded on the interval [0, ∞) must also be continuous on that interval. Participants explore definitions and provide examples to illustrate their points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the continuity of a function defined as a step function, which is nondecreasing, concave, and bounded, providing an example that is not continuous.
  • Another participant argues that step functions can fulfill the definition of concavity, depending on the direction of the steps.
  • A further reply challenges the classification of step functions as convex or concave, presenting a specific function and demonstrating that it does not satisfy the convexity condition.
  • Some participants suggest that the original poster (OP) may be more concerned with functions that are concave downwards, rather than upwards.
  • One participant hints that if a function is continuous, non-decreasing, concave, and bounded on (0, ∞), then its continuity on [0, ∞) is determined by its value at 0.
  • There is a discussion about the definitions of convexity and concavity, with some suggesting that the OP may have used the terms inversely, which could affect the interpretation of continuity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between concavity, boundedness, and continuity. There is no consensus on whether the conditions provided by the OP guarantee continuity, and multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and implications of these properties.

Contextual Notes

There is potential confusion regarding the definitions of convex and concave functions, particularly in relation to the continuity of functions at specific points. The discussion also highlights the importance of the non-decreasing condition in determining continuity at the boundary of the interval.

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Hi all,
I have the following question: Suppose f: [0, ∞) \rightarrowℝ and f is concave , nondecreasing and bounded on [ 0, ∞) . Does it follow that f is continuous on [ 0, ∞) ? Thanks in advance, H.
 
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hi hermanni! :wink:

tell us what you think, and then we'll comment! :smile:

(start by writing out the definition of "concave")
 
hermanni said:
Hi all,
I have the following question: Suppose f: [0, ∞) \rightarrowℝ and f is concave , nondecreasing and bounded on [ 0, ∞) . Does it follow that f is continuous on [ 0, ∞) ? Thanks in advance, H.


A step function is non-decreasing, convex (or concave) and we can make it bounded, but won't be continuous. For example
f(x)=0\,\,,\,if\,\, x\in [0,1)\,,\,f(x)=1\,\,,\,if\,\, x\geq 1\,

DonAntonio
 
How is a step function convex??
 
micromass said:
How is a step function convex??


Very simple: it fulfills the definition of concave upwards (if the steps go up) or concave downwards (steps down), just as a constant

function does as well.

DonAntonio
 
DonAntonio said:
Very simple: it fulfills the definition of concave upwards (if the steps go up) or concave downwards (steps down), just as a constant

function does as well.

DonAntonio

I don't see how. Take the function

f:]-1,1[\rightarrow \mathbb{R}:x\rightarrow \left\{\begin{array}{l} 0~\text{if}~x\leq 0\\ 1 ~\text{if}~x>0 \end{array}\right.

This is the function you mean right??

According to the definition, this function is convex if for all x,y\in ]-1,1[ and t\in [0,1] holds that

f(tx+(1-t)y)\leq tf(x)+(1-t)f(y)

But take x=-1/2, y=1/2 and t=1/4, then

f(tx+(1-t)y)=1

while

tf(x)+(1-t)f(y)=3/4

and this does not satisfy the inequality.

Furthermore, it violates the following theorem: http://planetmath.org/ContinuityOfConvexFunctions.html
 
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micromass said:
I don't see how. Take the function

f:]-1,1[\rightarrow \mathbb{R}:x\rightarrow \left\{\begin{array}{l} 0~\text{if}~x\leq 0\\ 1 ~\text{if}~x>0 \end{array}\right.

This is the function you mean right??

No, my function's defined on the convex non-negative ray \,[0,\infty)\,
According to the definition, this function is convex if for all x,y\in ]-1,1[ and t\in [0,1] holds that

f(tx+(1-t)y)\leq tf(x)+(1-t)f(y)

But take x=-1/2, y=1/2 and t=1/4, then

f(tx+(1-t)y)=1

while

tf(x)+(1-t)f(y)=3/4

and this does not satisfy the inequality

Furthermore, it violates the following theorem: http://planetmath.org/ContinuityOfConvexFunctions.html

Point taken, but eventhough my example indeed doesn't quite fit in the traditional definition, I will change it slightly and still

will we get a counterexample:

f(0)=0\,,\,f(x)=1\,\,,\,\forall\,x>0

The above function is convex upwards in \,[0,\infty)\, but not continuous there.

DonAntonio
 
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OK, but I think the OP cares more about convex downwards...
 
micromass said:
OK, but I think the OP cares more about convex downwards...



No problem: interchange zero and one in my last message's definition.

DonAntonio
 
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That's not nondecreasing :frown:
 
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Hint: suppose you already have a function that is continuous, non-decreasing, concave and bounded on the open interval ##(0,\infty)##. Then continuity on ##[0,\infty)## is completely determined by ##f(0)##.
 
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There is perhaps some confusion about the terms convex and concave. I believe that the standard definition is such that for twice differentiable functions convex would mean the second derivative is never negative. I.e. convexity/concavity is as viewed from 'below'.
This would make DonAntonio's counterexample at post #7 valid. But I suspect the OP was using the terms inversely, so suppose 'convex' was intended. As micromass/pwsnafu point out, the continuity is assured everywhere except at 0 by the convexity alone. The only question is whether the non-decreasing condition makes it continuous at 0+. I believe it does by a simple variation on the proof at the PlanetMath site quoted.
 

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