Is a Crash Inevitable Given the Conditions Described?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a scenario involving a truck and a car, focusing on the conditions under which a crash may or may not occur. Participants are attempting to analyze the distances traveled by both vehicles during deceleration and the implications of timing on the potential for a collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining the calculations related to the distances traveled by both the truck and the car, questioning the assumptions made about braking times and distances. There is confusion regarding the timing of the car's braking in relation to the truck's deceleration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the problem setup and the assumptions involved. Some have expressed uncertainty about the calculations and the conditions necessary to avoid a crash, while others are questioning the interpretation of the problem statement.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of explicit information regarding the timing of the car's braking relative to the truck's actions, leading to varied interpretations of the problem. Participants are also grappling with the implications of their calculations and the feasibility of avoiding a crash given the described conditions.

bolzano95
Messages
89
Reaction score
7
Homework Statement
A car is driving at the distance ##d= 15m## after the truck. Both vehicles drive with the constant velocity. Velocity of the car is ## v_1= 30,6 \frac{m}{s}##, velocity of the truck is ## v_2= 25 \frac{m}{s}##. Suddenly the truck starts to slow down with deceleration ##-a=5\frac{m}{s^2}##.
1. Calculate the time necessary so that the car and the truck don't crash. You know the car driver starts slowing down (##0,5s##) later than the truck and both the truck and the car decelerate with ##-a=5\frac{m}{s^2}##.
2. Calculate the time of the crash.
Relevant Equations
Basic kinematic equations
1. I'm trying to calculate the time at which the crash does not happen (if possible, because I don't know the official solution. I assume the crash is preventable).
At the time t the truck decelerates and makes the distance ##s_2= \frac{v_2^2}{2a}##. In the same time the car drives with the constant velocity ##v_1## for a time ##t_0## ##\implies s_{11}= v_1\cdot t_0 ## and then decelerates with ##a## ##\implies s_{12}= \frac{v_1^2}{2a}##. Therefore I assume the condition for no accident is : ##|s_{11}|+ |s_{12}| < d + |s_2|\implies |v_1\cdot t_0|+ |-\frac{1}{2}a(t-t_0)^2| < d + |-\frac{1}{2}at^2|##. After putting in the known values the value of is ##t > 0.362s##. After a little bit of reflection this doesn't make any sense to me - shouldn't be the time bigger?
2. When does the crash happen?
I assumed the distance driven by the car is bigger than the ( distance d + the distance driven by the truck):
##|s_{11}|+ |s_{12}| = d + |s_2|## (so both vehicles are at the same position)
After plugging the values in I get ##t= 0.362s##.

I feel like I missed something here.

Will be grateful for any help.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
I don't understand this. The truck brakes but then what? Does the car brake ##0.5s## later or not? What time are you trying to calculate in part 1).

What are you assuming for part 2)?
 
PeroK said:
I don't understand this. The truck brakes but then what? Does the car brake ##0.5s## later or not? What time are you trying to calculate in part 1).

What are you assuming for part 2)?
I corrected my solving process. The problem does not give any more information so I assumed the truck is stopping until its velocity is 0.
 
bolzano95 said:
1. Calculate the time necessary so that the car and the truck don't crash.

What does this mean? Does it mean: how long can the car wait before braking?
 
bolzano95 said:
##|s_{11}|+ |s_{12}| < d + |s_2|\implies |v_1\cdot t_0|+ |-\frac{1}{2}a(t-t_0)^2| < d + |-\frac{1}{2}at^2|##.
What is t here? It did not feature in your expression for s12.
 
haruspex said:
What is t here? It did not feature in your expression for s12.
t is the particular time in which the truck goes from its velocity ##v_2## to 0 and makes a distance ##s_2##. In the inequality there is difference implemented ##t'= t-t_0##, because in the time t' the car is slowing down.
 
PeroK said:
What does this mean? Does it mean: how long can the car wait before braking?
2. The instruction is written here as it is written in my problem book. I personally assume there has to be a condition for the crash not to happen, but I do not know which or what.
 
bolzano95 said:
2. The instruction is written here as it is written in my problem book. I personally assume there has to be a condition for the crash not to happen, but I do not know which or what.
A crash seems inevitable to me. The car is too close and driving too fast.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
5K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
Replies
34
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K