Is a Function Funny When Its Secant is Less Than a Certain Number?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of a function being "funny" based on a Lipschitz condition, specifically examining the implications of the parameter c in the definition. Participants explore whether the definition implies that a function is funny for all c > 0 or for some c > 0, and the nature of functions that meet this criterion.

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  • Some participants express confusion about whether the definition of a funny function applies for all c > 0 or for some c > 0, questioning the implications of this distinction.
  • One participant suggests that if the definition is for some c > 0, it raises questions about the nature of functions that are not funny under this definition.
  • Another participant notes that the property described is also known as Lipschitz-continuity, implying a connection to established mathematical concepts.
  • Some participants propose that "funny" could be interpreted as a family of functions, with the parameter c determining which functions are classified as funny within a given interval.
  • There is a concern raised about the terminology used, with some participants expressing skepticism about the use of the word "funny" in a mathematical context.
  • One participant mentions that only constant functions are funny for all c, suggesting a limitation in the definition.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the definition of a funny function, with multiple competing views regarding the role of the parameter c and the implications for different types of functions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the definition's wording may lead to ambiguity, particularly regarding the quantifiers used in the context of Lipschitz continuity and the implications for function integrability.

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The definition
Let a, b be any two real numbers
Let c > 0
We define a function f to be funny iff
For all x, y belonging to [a,b], |f (x) - f (y)| ≤ c |x - y|

Question
Let a < b (arbitrarily)
Let c > 0
Assume function g is funny on [a, b]
Let x, y ∈ [a, b]
Therefore, |g (x) - g (y)| ≤ c |x - y|
= > |g (x) - g (y)| / |x-y| ≤ c

I'm confused at this part because c is arbitrary. Does the original definition mean that a function is funny for all c > 0 or for some c > 0? And if it is for some c > 0, what is the statement saying about the function? Is it just stating that the secant of the function is less than equal to some positive number? Can there be a function that is not funny if this is the case?
 
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spacey__ said:
The definition
Let a, b be any two real numbers
Let c > 0
We define a function f to be funny iff
For all x, y belonging to [a,b], |f (x) - f (y)| ≤ c |x - y|

Question
Let a < b (arbitrarily)
Let c > 0
Assume function g is funny on [a, b]
Let x, y ∈ [a, b]
Therefore, |g (x) - g (y)| ≤ c |x - y|
= > |g (x) - g (y)| / |x-y| ≤ c

I'm confused at this part because c is arbitrary. Does the original definition mean that a function is funny for all c > 0 or for some c > 0? And if it is for some c > 0, what is the statement saying about the function? Is it just stating that the secant of the function is less than equal to some positive number? Can there be a function that is not funny if this is the case?

For a fixed c. This property is also called Lipschitz-continuity.

Only constant functions are funny for all c (exercise).
 
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spacey__ said:
The definition
Let a, b be any two real numbers
Let c > 0
We define a function f to be funny iff
For all x, y belonging to [a,b], |f (x) - f (y)| ≤ c |x - y|
As I interpret the above definition, "funny" is a boolean-valued function with four parameters: a, b, c and f.
spacey__ said:
Question
Let a < b (arbitrarily)
Let c > 0
Assume function g is funny on [a, b]
The usage here suggests that "funny" is to be viewed as family of functions. A member of the family is selected based on a fixed level of funniness (c) and a fixed interval over which it is applied ([a,b]). Then that family member decides which functions are funny (at level c on interval [a,b]) and which are not.
 
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The fact that the problem uses the word "funny" would make me leery or the whole thing! Yes, that definition should say "there exist c such that ---".
 
HallsofIvy said:
The fact that the problem uses the word "funny" would make me leery or the whole thing! Yes, that definition should say "there exist c such that ---".

Although I think this is purposeful since the actual question wanted to prove integrability of f. Changing the quantifier to a for all in the Lipschitz definition I guess is just another way to say that a function is constant.

Nevermind, this is correct but the question I had before is not saying that.
 
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