Is A.I. more than the sum of its parts?

[PeterDonis]

She would have failed the rouge test.

I'm not sure of that. Non-human animals that cannot speak have passed the test. So I don't think Helen Keller not being able to "describe adequately" in words what it was like before she learned language is sufficient to establish that she would not have passed such a test, if it could have been given to her during that time.

 

[Grinkle]

Don't you want the support? You are clearly right that she had no self-awareness. The test clearly supports your position.

I asked you for clarification because as I read @gleem 's post, I can infer that he believes she would fail the rouge test in the deepest sense - if it could be applied to her. I didn't know if you also felt that way or if you were making a HK joke. I was, in good faith, just wanting to understand your post better. I am not above a HK joke myself, I am not posturing myself as holier-than-thou with my question to you.

I guess, based on your response to me, you did mean it as a joke - ok, understood.

I haven't stated myself if I think HK had no self-awareness prior to her a-ha moment. My position (not very well thought out and maybe not defensible) is that she lacked sufficient context to have self-awareness as any of us might try to define it. Is an earthworm self-aware when it struggles to return to my lawn if stranded on the sidewalk? IMO, no, not really. I'm sure she had whatever awareness her sense of touch afforded her, but no way to abstract that to a sense of self vs others because she didn't know any others that might have similar experience to her existed.

 

[Dale]

I asked you for clarification because as I read @gleem 's post, I can infer that he believes she would fail the rouge test in the deepest sense - if it could be applied to her.

Oops, sorry, I thought you were @gleem

I was just being a troublemaker. I don’t think Helen Keller’s mental state is at all relevant to the important questions about AI today, like the actual risks that they currently pose and their typical malfunctions.