Is a Kurtosis Value of 60 Possible for a Non-Gaussian Histogram?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of achieving a kurtosis value of 60 for a non-Gaussian histogram, with participants exploring the implications of such high kurtosis and the methods for assessing normality in distributions. The scope includes statistical analysis, normality testing, and the interpretation of histogram data.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Zacku, reports a kurtosis value of 60 and questions its feasibility for a non-Gaussian histogram, asserting confidence in their calculations of the third and fourth moments.
  • Another participant suggests that graphical comparison with a normal distribution could help demonstrate the differences to a referee, and recommends using established normality tests like the Jarque–Bera test instead of relying solely on moments.
  • A participant notes that single samples typically do not conform to an ideal normal distribution unless the sample size is large, indicating that the normality assumption might still hold in some contexts.
  • There is a suggestion that the histogram may represent a mixture of distributions, with one participant observing a major peak and additional activity, possibly indicating a decay pattern.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the kurtosis value and the appropriate methods for assessing normality. There is no consensus on whether a kurtosis of 60 is possible or what it implies about the underlying distribution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the limitations of using moments for normality testing and the potential for multiple distributions influencing the histogram shape, but do not resolve these issues.

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Hello everyone,

I explain my problem: I have a set of histograms that do not appear normal (in the sense of the normal distribution). I need to convince a referee that it is in fact not normal. I have checked the skewness and the kurtosis and the former is at -2 and the latter is 60 !

I know these values seem non usual but I really double checked and I didn't make any mistake in the calculation of the third and fourth moments.

I would like to know if such a high value for the kurtosis is possible if the histogram is obviously non gaussian.

Just to give you an idea, I join a typical histogram that returns me these crazy values.

Thanks for any comment you would have.

Zacku
 

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Zacku said:
Hello everyone,

I explain my problem: I have a set of histograms that do not appear normal (in the sense of the normal distribution). I need to convince a referee that it is in fact not normal.

Well, graphically you could plot on the top of the histogram the normal distribution so that the referee can see how different they are.

Checking the 3rd and 4th moments directly is not the way to go when testing for normality in a distribution. There are many different tests of normality like, for instance, the Jarque–Bera test which takes into account the the skewness and kurtosis matching a normal distribution. Just use one of the many you can find in the literature.
 
This is just a random sample I presume Single samples will rarely take the form of an ideal normal distribution unless the sample size is fairly large.. Moreover, there's a difference between normality and the Standard Normal distribution where the variance has a fixed relationship to the shape of the curve. Here, the variance is small which supports your estimate of the mean. The normality assumption would probably hold here, but as viralux says, there are specific tests for normality.
 
SW VandeCarr said:
This is just a random sample I presume Single samples will rarely take the form of an ideal normal distribution unless the sample size is fairly large.. Moreover, there's a difference between normality and the Standard Normal distribution where the variance has a fixed relationship to the shape of the curve. Here, the variance is small which supports your estimate of the mean. The normality assumption would probably hold here, but as viralux says, there are specific tests for normality.
I will try other tests then. But just to specify that the histogram I showed is indeed a one sample histogram bu that contains 50000 points in it.
 
Zacku said:
I will try other tests then. But just to specify that the histogram I showed is indeed a one sample histogram bu that contains 50000 points in it.

In that case, you might have more than one distribution. That is, two (or more) variables showing up as a joint distribution. You have an obvious major peak and some kind of additional activity to the right. Also, this might be some kind of decay pattern which would be skewed. What exactly is this?
 
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