Is Adobe Flash Safe to Use for Online Registration?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the safety and necessity of using Adobe Flash for online registration, particularly in light of security concerns and the deprecation of Flash and related technologies. Participants explore the implications of using Flash, Java, and browser compatibility, as well as the risks associated with these technologies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concerns about the security risks associated with Adobe Flash, citing its history of vulnerabilities and exploitation by hackers.
  • Others mention that certain browsers, like Firefox, have restricted or removed support for Flash due to its security issues.
  • A few participants note that while Flash has been deprecated, it is still required by some websites, including government portals, which raises questions about accessibility and security.
  • Some suggest using Flash only when necessary and disabling it otherwise to mitigate risks, while others advocate for keeping systems updated with proper security measures.
  • There are mentions of alternative technologies like HTML5, which are increasingly being adopted in place of Flash, although some websites still rely on Flash.
  • One participant humorously notes an exaggerated scenario involving an attack, indicating a light-hearted approach to the topic.
  • Some participants discuss their browser settings, indicating they use prompts to activate Flash only when needed, reflecting a cautious approach to its use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the security risks associated with Flash and the trend towards deprecation of such technologies. However, there is no consensus on the necessity of using Flash for certain websites, as some still require it, leading to differing opinions on whether it is safe to use.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on outdated technologies by some websites, the varying levels of security awareness among users, and the ongoing transition to newer standards like HTML5, which may not yet be universally implemented.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals concerned about online security, users who need to access websites requiring Flash, and those interested in the evolution of web technologies and their implications for safety and usability.

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Not a computer person, but a website I am interested in registering with requires Adobe Flash (along with Microsoft Edge browser and Java).

I've seen warnings here and there about Flash being dangerous, but never looked into them from a technical perspective, nor followed up with those news bits (I just chose to never install it).

Now, I'm in a position where I would need it for a site to work (although, I don't have to register with that site, as it's not essential for my life). Any idea if Flash (or those other programs I listed) are dangerous to use?

Thanks!
 
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Those technologies are being deprecated. They have many security flaws and even thought some browsers have removed support for them, Flash at least continues to release new versions which keep getting exploited time after time.

Firefox was going to ditch the Java plugin by the end of 2016 and if I am not mistaking, we are in 2017 and it should be gone already.
-Source: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2015/10/08/npapi-plugins-in-firefox/

Edge already ditched java at least for version 9. It doesn't support plugins at all:
https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/win10_faq.xml
http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/28/10858250/oracle-java-plugin-deprecation-jdk-9

I leave this link here for the sake of completeness of the answer:
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-53/product_id-6761/Adobe-Flash-Player.html
(A list of vulnerabilities of Flash Player.)
kyphysics said:
(although, I don't have to register with that site, as it's not essential for my life)
That being the case I'd avoid it.
 
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It attacked me yesterday, with a knife!
 
Flash technology was a monopoly for many years and as such it became target of various kinds of attacks. Now, while there were some good efforts to patch vulnerabilities as soon as they were getting discovered, there were many flaws in the software of the plugin itself and of course there is a fair share of responsibility for this, belonging to the companies that developed / maintain it. But I think that browser and other software vendors involved, have their fair amount of responsibility too, as they didn't like to adopt it, because of its monopoly state and this, in my opinion, is only partially justified. No one can deny its usefulness but it really ended up being a big unpatched vulnerability hole the recent years. Good thing is that HTML 5 specs have almost render it unneeded (not totally as of now) but there are still many websites utilizing it. Now, that said, if your OS is properly patched and you have firewall and anti-malware protection properly updated, I don't think that you run any big risk. But, as always correctly stated, the most important thing is what websites someone visits and what is doing there. After establishing this front line of defense, it is up to everyone to use the plugin or not.
 
You can install Flash and only enable it when you really need it. I leave it disabled most of the time. When a website that I trust needs it, I enable it and reload the page. When I'm done, I usually disable it. Even ignoring the risk of Flash, it aborts and slows some web sites down so much that I hate using it.

PS. I hope it goes without saying that you should make full use of an anti-malware software suite like Norton or McAfee.
 
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My Firefox uses Shockwave Flash, rather than Adobe flash. It is set so that when something needs it, I get a prompt to turn it on just for the occasion.
 
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It's odd that some government web sites still require flash...

For example, I have to use... nap - ness application portal ... to update passwords for other .gov web sites.... :oldeyes:

And, it absolutely, positively will not work without flash... click the first hit in the Google link, or click the URL ...
https://nap.nwcg.gov/NAP/# ... I guarantee you'll get a black page, if you don't enable flash.

mathman said:
My Firefox uses Shockwave Flash, rather than Adobe flash.
Same here, but I keep it disabled unless I know that I need it.

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OCR said:
It's odd that some government web sites still require flash...

For example, I have to use... nap - ness application portal ... to update passwords for other .gov web sites.... :oldeyes:

And, it absolutely, positively will not work without flash... click the first hit in the Google link, or click the URL ...
https://nap.nwcg.gov/NAP/# ... I guarantee you'll get a black page, if you don't enable flash.Same here, but I keep it disabled unless I know that I need it.

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My setting is "ask to activate", which gives me the option I described.
 
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mathman said:
My setting is "ask to activate", which gives me the option I described.
This is the best option if you really "must" use flash. Websites that support HTML5 usually auto-detect flash isn't available and run without it, or give you a link to access the HTML5 version. The major browsers are moving in the direction of defaulting to HTML5 when available, even if the flash plug-in is enabled.
The tinfoil hat people run flash in a hardened VM whose state is cleared upon shutdown.
 

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