Is an engineering PhD generally easier to get than maths / physics?

In summary, the conversation revolved around the difficulty of obtaining a PhD in mathematics and physics compared to engineering, and whether certain fields within these disciplines were more competitive or difficult to get into. The purpose of the question was to determine where to target applications for a PhD program. The conversation also touched on the difference between entering a program and successfully completing it, and how natural talents can play a role in difficulty. It was also mentioned that data on obtaining a PhD can be found in the Survey of Earned Doctorates, and that all three fields are roughly equivalent in terms of difficulty in terms of years required.
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binbagsss
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As a maths & Physics graduate.

This seems to be the pattern I tend to be spotting but maybe it's just a coincident?

Many thanks
 
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Have you personally obtained both a math/physics PhD and and engineering PhD? If not, then what are you using to measure difficulty, what are you "spotting" that leads you to conclude this?

Also, why does it matter? What purpose will the answer serve you?
 
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Dale said:
Have you personally obtained both a math/physics PhD and and engineering PhD? If not, then what are you using to measure difficulty, what are you "spotting" that leads you to conclude this?

Also, why does it matter? What purpose will the answer serve you?
I meant easier to get an offer, not to ' obtain ' as in complete...
 
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binbagsss said:
I meant easier to get an offer, not to ' obtain ' as in complete...
And an offer just in one discipline. And yes, the answer matters a lot to me.
 
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I'm a maths and physics graduate.

I enjoy quantum theory and general relativity most. Then quantum mechanics and Pde / analysis in many variables / dynamical systems - these kind of core/ central math fields.

But would a PhD in mechanical engineering - fluid dynamics in particular - offer better job prospects after - both in academia and industry?

My dream.phd would be gravitational theory modelling, or an interesting quantum theory application. But my grades are average, I have been offered a PhD in FD, engineering, but would a PhD in the latter also be harder to get an offer for or not really?

Many thanks
 
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binbagsss said:
But my grades are average, I have been offered a PhD in FD, engineering, but would a PhD in the latter also be harder to get an offer for or not really?
If you have already been offered a PhD in fluid dynamics, what does it matter whether it would be harder to get an offer?

Generally speaking, I think that the between-program variability is going to be more widely dispersed than the between subject variability. Counting on an engineering program accepting you as a backup if you don't get into a physics program is probably not a wise strategy.

As for graduating job prospects... a lot depends on the specifics of the skills you pick up during your degree. There aren't a lot of companies willing to pay you to model gravitational theories directly. But if you can use those skills to perform financial modelling work, you might have a few more prospects.
 
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Choppy said:
Generally speaking, I think that the between-program variability is going to be more widely dispersed than the between subject variability.

I don't nderstand what you mean by thusi?
 
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binbagsss said:
I meant easier to get an offer, not to ' obtain ' as in complete...
Ah, I misunderstood. I guess that should be pretty straightforward to estimate just by comparing the number of applicants to the number of positions, but I don't know that number.

I guess the purpose for you is to target where you apply. If so, then there will be substantial variation between institutions. Probably the difference in "difficulty" between institutions will be greater than the difference between physics/math and engineering. If you are finding physics/math more difficult to get into then it may be that you are targeting excessively competitive physics/math programs.
 
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binbagsss said:
I meant easier to get an offer, not to ' obtain ' as in complete...
So that is the distinction. Entering is one thing; doing well and coming through the exit successfully is another thing.
 
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An engineering PhD in Fluid Dynamics will get you many more prospects for employment, both academic and industrial over a PhD in Relativity...
 
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Dale said:
Ah, I misunderstood. I guess that should be pretty straightforward to estimate just by comparing the number of applicants to the number of positions, but I don't know that number.

I guess the purpose for you is to target where you apply. If so, then there will be substantial variation between institutions. Probably the difference in "difficulty" between institutions will be greater than the difference between physics/math and engineering. If you are finding physics/math more difficult to get into then it may be that you are targeting excessively competitive physics/math programs.
No I'm.not targeting more difficult for maths / physics
 
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symbolipoint said:
So that is the distinction. Entering is one thing; doing well and coming through the exit successfully is another thing.
What? Wasn't the question I was addressing.

Are quantum theory / mechanics / gravitaton theory type projects more competitive than engineering? do they tend to get more people applying or,?
 
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Data on this and other aspects of getting a PhD can be found in the Survey of Earned Doctorates.
A table of the years required to obtain a degree are in Table 31 here
It looks to me as though PhDs in all three fields are roughly equivalent in difficulty in terms of years required.

Of course, your natural talents can make a lot of difference in how difficult particular subjects are. My experience in mathematics was that I had a particular knack for some math subjects but would have found other math subjects completely impossible.
 
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FactChecker said:
Data on this and other aspects of getting a PhD can be found in the Survey of Earned Doctorates.
A table of the years required to obtain a degree are in Table 31 here
It looks to me as though PhDs in all three fields are roughly equivalent in difficulty in terms of years required.

Of course, your natural talents can make a lot of difference in how difficult particular subjects are. My experience in mathematics was that I had a particular knack for some math subjects but would have found other math subjects completely impossible.
Not in teeerms of difficulty I am after, but difficulty of landing the PhD in the first place..
 
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There seem to be some language difficulties in this thread. OP's answers can be interpreted in a number of ways. Do you mean:
1) Are engineering PhD programs easier to be accepted into than math/physics programs?
2) Are engineering PhD programs easier to complete than math/physics programs?
3) Is it easier to find a job with an engineering degree than with a math/physics degree?
 
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TeethWhitener said:
There seem to be some language difficulties in this thread. OP's answers can be interpreted in a number of ways. Do you mean:
1) Are engineering PhD programs easier to be accepted into than math/physics programs?
2) Are engineering PhD programs easier to complete than math/physics programs?
3) Is it easier to find a job with an engineering degree than with a math/physics degree?
number 1 was my primmary question (as I've specified in other replies) and number 3 was a seecondary question.
 
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This thread severely needs to be retitled!

Zz.
 
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binbagsss said:
What? Wasn't the question I was addressing.

Are quantum theory / mechanics / gravitaton theory type projects more competitive than engineering? do they tend to get more people applying or,?
The O.P. earlier comment from one of the posts:
I meant easier to get an offer, not to ' obtain ' as in complete...
 
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Whole post #1 as seen right now:
binbagsss said:
As a maths & Physics graduate.

This seems to be the pattern I tend to be spotting but maybe it's just a coincident?

Many thanks
Post #1 reads very strangely. Something has lead to a discussion not clearly coming from this post #1. Intention does not seem clear.
 
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Regarding the possibility of getting into a Ph.D. program, one should remember that many Ph.D. students are working on their degree while they are employed. There are many more jobs in engineering.
 
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FactChecker said:
many Ph.D. students are working on their degree while they are employed.
How do they manage that, if being PhD student is a full-time situation by itself?
 
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symbolipoint said:
How do they manage that, if being PhD student is a full-time situation by itself?

This obviously varies from different fields, but many PhD students in areas like operations research or statistics in the US and Canada (from what I've been told) work in internships during the summer months while completing their PhD studies. And many of the internships are often connected to areas of research they are engaged in.

I presume the same is true for PhD students in many engineering programs.
 
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They may also be in part-time programs. Some schools have them.
 
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symbolipoint said:
How do they manage that, if being PhD student is a full-time situation by itself?
After the classes have been completed, there are some years of research on their thesis. They often work on a thesis subject that is somewhat related to their job. Their company can help them sometimes and they put in very long hours.
 

1. Is an engineering PhD generally easier to get than maths / physics?

This is a common question that many students have when considering pursuing a PhD in engineering, mathematics, or physics. The short answer is that it depends on several factors, including individual strengths and interests, program requirements, and research opportunities.

2. What makes an engineering PhD easier or harder to obtain than a maths or physics PhD?

Again, this largely depends on individual strengths and interests. Generally, engineering PhD programs tend to have a more structured curriculum and may involve more hands-on research projects, while maths and physics PhD programs may require more theoretical coursework and independent research. However, this can vary greatly between programs and disciplines.

3. Are there any specific engineering fields that are easier to get a PhD in compared to maths or physics?

There is no definitive answer to this question, as the difficulty of obtaining a PhD can vary greatly within each discipline. However, some engineering fields may have more research funding or opportunities for collaboration, which could potentially make them easier to obtain a PhD in compared to other fields.

4. How do job prospects and salary compare for engineering PhDs versus maths or physics PhDs?

Again, this can vary greatly depending on individual skills and interests, as well as the specific industry and job market. Generally, both engineering and maths/physics PhDs have strong job prospects and high salaries, but the specific roles and industries may differ.

5. Are there any other factors to consider when deciding between an engineering PhD or a maths/physics PhD?

Aside from individual strengths and interests, it's important to consider the specific research opportunities, faculty, and program requirements for each discipline. It may also be helpful to speak with current students or alumni to gain a better understanding of their experiences and career paths after obtaining their PhDs.

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