Is any attention being given to Conformal Cyclic Cosmology?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around Conformal Cyclic Cosmology (CCC), a hypothesis proposed by Roger Penrose. Participants explore its implications, the necessity of dark energy, and the potential for ongoing research in the physics community. The conversation includes theoretical aspects, speculative ideas, and challenges related to dark matter and cosmic observations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants summarize CCC as proposing a previous spacetime or "aeon" that connects to our universe through a conformal rescaling process, suggesting that the heat death of the previous universe leads to the Big Bang of the current one.
  • There is mention of concentric annuli in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) as potential evidence for CCC, attributed to gravitational waves from black holes of the previous aeon.
  • Others argue that CCC may require dark energy or a cosmological constant to function, indicating that interest in CCC exists but is limited.
  • Some participants express skepticism about CCC, labeling it as a highly speculative idea not yet supported by evidence.
  • Questions arise regarding the implications of dark matter decay as suggested by Penrose, particularly its potential effects on galactic rotation curves over time.
  • Discussion includes varying interpretations of dark matter decay rates, with some suggesting that the decay is slow enough not to significantly impact dark matter distributions.
  • Participants note that Penrose's proposed half-life for dark matter is around ten to the eleven years, which is much longer than the age of the universe, raising questions about the model's assumptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of views, with some supporting the exploration of CCC while others remain skeptical about its validity and implications. There is no consensus on the necessity of dark energy for CCC or the effects of dark matter decay.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved questions about the nature of dark matter decay and its implications for cosmic observations, as well as the speculative status of CCC in relation to existing cosmological models.

Ebanflo
Messages
1
Reaction score
0
Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, or CCC, is a hypothesis put forward by Roger Penrose in the early 2000s. My understanding of physics is lacking so my explanation will not be that clear, but I will summarize it here.

Essentially, the existence of a previous spacetime, or "aeon," is postulated. This spacetime has a 3-manifold which bounds it at t=∞. This bounding 3-manifold is conformally re-scaled and glued to the past of our universe - so that the heat death of the previous universe is essentially the big bang of this one. Because of something to do with QFT (which I know basically nothing about), the photons of the previous aeon can carry over to this one and, as I understand, make up the CMB.

Penrose suggested that the concentric annuli of low temperature in the CMB act as preliminary evidence for this, as they could be caused by the gravitational waves of the last black holes of the previous aeon colliding. I've come across a couple arXiv articles saying that these annuli are consistent with ΛCDM cosmology.

So it would seem that CCC is a no-go. However, Penrose and others recently published this paper on arXiv, which discusses anomalous points in the CMB sky and how they could be the result of the last black holes of the previous aeon evaporating. In addition, according to the wikipedia, Penrose claims that CCC could explain the accelerating of the expansion of the universe without dark energy. Perhaps this is not so appealing since QFT predicts that there should be a much higher vacuum energy density than is actually observed.

Nonetheless, my question remains: is there anyone in the physics community doing research on what could further verify or falsify this model? And is anyone doing research on what it might imply for other areas of physics?

PS: I read on physics stackexchange that the original publication on CCC was "Causality, quantum theory and cosmology," published by Cambridge. I never found this online or in my univerity's library but I put in an inter-library request and got a pdf of it. I can email it to anyone who is interested and doesn't want to go through the trouble.
 
Space news on Phys.org
My understanding is that CCC actually needs dark energy to exist for it to work. Well a cosmological constant anyway. My impression is that there are a few other scientists that have published positive papers about CCC. So interest in it is not zero but its not large either. you can do a google scholar search and find a few papers.
 
If I understand Roger Penrose (highly unlikely but I digress) dark matter was present at the Big Bang but has been decaying away from the beginning. This might explain the change from a BB with low entropy to a CMB with high entropy. My question is this: if as Professor Penrose suggests, dark matter is decaying, wouldn't this be seen in a variation in galactic rotation curves over the course of history?
 
AuntyMatter said:
If I understand Roger Penrose (highly unlikely but I digress) dark matter was present at the Big Bang but has been decaying away from the beginning. This might explain the change from a BB with low entropy to a CMB with high entropy. My question is this: if as Professor Penrose suggests, dark matter is decaying, wouldn't this be seen in a variation in galactic rotation curves over the course of history?
Most dark matter models have dark matter slowly decaying and/or annihilating, but the rate is low enough that it doesn't have a significant impact on dark matter distributions. I don't think Penrose is assuming rapid decay, just eventual decay.
 
kimbyd said:
Most dark matter models have dark matter slowly decaying and/or annihilating, but the rate is low enough that it doesn't have a significant impact on dark matter distributions. I don't think Penrose is assuming rapid decay, just eventual decay.

Thanks for this help. Penrose speaks of a half life of around ten to the eleven years, so one order of magnitude greater than the age of the Universe.
 
AuntyMatter said:
Thanks for this help. Penrose speaks of a half life of around ten to the eleven years, so one order of magnitude greater than the age of the Universe.
The half-life could be much higher than that for dark matter and it shouldn't impact the model. Normal matter is expected to have a half life greater than ##10^{30}## years, so that will still be around. If Penrose is banking on normal matter also decaying, though, that's a problem.

I don't really know what the half-life of dark matter is in various models myself.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
8K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
7K
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
15K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 56 ·
2
Replies
56
Views
15K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
5K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
5K