Is Common Core Math Too Complex for Kids?

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The discussion centers around the perceived complexity of Common Core Math, particularly in relation to its teaching methods and their impact on students. Participants share personal experiences and opinions regarding the effectiveness and appropriateness of these methods for elementary education.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that Common Core Math is overly complicated, citing an example of how basic addition is taught in a way that seems unnecessarily complex for third graders.
  • Another participant disputes the validity of the example provided, suggesting it may not accurately represent Common Core standards and questioning the necessity of uniformity in educational content across districts.
  • A participant defends their brother's account of the math problem, asserting that it is indeed from a Common Core curriculum and emphasizes that effective teaching can enable students from diverse backgrounds to succeed in advanced mathematics.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the methods used in Common Core, suggesting that they may lack clarity or context, and call for more concrete examples of problematic problems.
  • There is a mention of a preference for simpler teaching methods, referencing the "KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID" principle and the appeal of educational resources designed for easier understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views on the effectiveness and appropriateness of Common Core Math, with some defending its complexity while others criticize it as unnecessarily convoluted.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying interpretations of what constitutes Common Core Math, leading to potential misunderstandings about its implementation and objectives. The discussion reflects differing educational philosophies and personal experiences with teaching methods.

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Common Core is evil. Everything is about funding and exams. One of my nephews came home with a math question that my brother could not answer. My brother is an IT Specialist for Western Union. He knows math but not Common Core math.

Here is an example:

Add 20 + 30.

Old Fadhioned Method:

20 + 30 = 50

Common Core Method:

20 = 10 + 5 + (5/2) + (5/2)

30 = 15 + 7.5 + 7.5

20 + 30 = 10 + 5 + (5/2) + (5/2) + 15 + 7.5 + 7.5 = 50.

It is absolutely insane to put a child through such agony in third grade. What is your view of Common Core Math?
 
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No, that is NOT "common core". As far as the example you give, either someone is mistaken or someone is pulling your leg. All "common core" means is that all school districts should teach the same basic courses. Do you think that whether or not algebra is offered in your school district should depend upon where you live?
 
HallsofIvy said:
No, that is NOT "common core". As far as the example you give, either someone is mistaken or someone is pulling your leg. All "common core" means is th6at all school districts should teach the same basic courses. Do you think that whether or not algebra is offered in your school district should depend upon where you live?

1. My brother has no reason to lie to me.

2. The 20 + 30 question is from a Common Core third grade math book.

3. Anyone can learn algebra if taught correctly. Ever seen Stand and Deliver? High school teacher Jaime Escalante took a bunch of illerates and taught them AP Calculus. The Board of Education people thought they cheated much to the embarrassment of the teacher. The students re-tested and passed the AP Calculus test with good scores. I am talking about ghetto students not knowing what a fraction is, really.
 
RTCNTC said:
Common Core Method:

20 = 10 + 5 + (5/2) + (5/2)

30 = 15 + 7.5 + 7.5

20 + 30 = 10 + 5 + (5/2) + (5/2) + 15 + 7.5 + 7.5 = 50.
Either this solution is sarcasm or it lacks the context that explains why 20 should be represented as a sum. It would be interesting to see some actual examples of problems that you or someone else think are bad. I tend to think that teaching methods can vary pretty widely and still be successful in teaching math.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Either this solution is sarcasm or it lacks the context that explains why 20 should be represented as a sum. It would be interesting to see some actual examples of problems that you or someone else think are bad. I tend to think that teaching methods can vary pretty widely and still be successful in teaching math.

I disagree. Remember the saying KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID? This is why I like the Dummies Series: Word Problems for Dummies, Calculus for Dummies, Linear Algebra for Dummies, etc.
 

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