Is Compton Scattering Valid at 180 Degrees?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of the Compton scattering equation at an angle of 180 degrees, particularly focusing on the implications for energy transfer during the scattering process. Participants explore theoretical aspects, calculations related to textbook problems, and potential discrepancies in results.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Compton scattering equation holds true at 180 degrees.
  • Another participant expresses confidence that the equation should work at this angle.
  • Several participants discuss their calculations regarding the percentage of energy transferred to an electron during Compton scattering, noting that maximum energy transfer occurs at 180 degrees.
  • Discrepancies between participants' calculated percentages and a textbook answer are highlighted, with one participant suggesting that rounding may account for the differences.
  • Participants provide specific calculations and results, with one reporting 3.85% and another 3.86%, while noting variations based on significant figures used in constants.
  • One participant references another textbook that states the scattered wavelength is greatest for scattering at 180 degrees, indicating a possible source of confusion regarding the definition of "scattering."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the Compton scattering equation at 180 degrees, with some agreeing on the theoretical aspects while others raise questions about practical calculations and discrepancies in results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of energy transfer and the interpretation of scattering at this angle.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential limitations in their calculations, including the precision of constants used and the impact of rounding on results. There is also an acknowledgment of the ambiguity in the term "scattering" and its implications for the angle of deflection.

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Does the Compton scattering equation

<br /> <br /> \lambda &#039; - \lambda = \frac{h}{m_{e} c} (1-cos \theta )<br /> <br />

work even when \theta = 180^{\circ}?
 
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yeah sure, why shouldn't it?
 
I just did a textbook problem which asked for the percentage of a photon's energy that would be passed to an electron via Compton scattering given that it was the maximum amount possible, so I assumed the angle was 180 degrees and my answer did not exactly match the book's answer. Then I wondered if perhaps "scattering" implied a kind of deflection and not a complete rebound.

Maybe the mismatch is just due to rounding..
 
Maximum transfer to electron is when E_prime is minimum
 
snoopies622 said:
I just did a textbook problem which asked for the percentage of a photon's energy that would be passed to an electron via Compton scattering given that it was the maximum amount possible, so I assumed the angle was 180 degrees and my answer did not exactly match the book's answer. Then I wondered if perhaps "scattering" implied a kind of deflection and not a complete rebound.

Maybe the mismatch is just due to rounding..
At 180°, (E-E')/E = a/(1+a)
where:
E = photon's energy before scattering
E' = photon's energy after scattering
a = 2hv/mc^2 (v = photon's frequency before scattering).

The maximun value of (E-E')/E is 100% for: a = +oo, that is for an infinite energy of the photon before scattering.

What did you and your book get, instead?
 
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The book asks, "for the Compton effect, determine the percentage of energy transferred to the recoil electrons that acquire the maximum kinetic energy when \lambda = 1.21 x 10^{-10}m."

I computed 1-\frac {\lambda}{\lambda &#039;}

where \lambda &#039; = \lambda + \frac{h}{m_0 c}(1-cos \theta )

and \theta = 180^{\circ} since that maximizes 1-cos \theta.

My answer: 3.85% (rounded from 3.85294..)
Book's answer: 3.93%.
 
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For what it's worth, I get 3.86% (rounded from 3.8558%). I used five significant figures for all constants, and did not round off any intermediate steps. I suspect that whoever calculated the book's answer either used less-precise values for the constants, or rounded off one or more intermediate steps.
 
jtbell said:
I suspect that whoever calculated the book's answer either used less-precise values for the constants, or rounded off one or more intermediate steps.

I guess that happens. Thanks for stepping in. I just looked at the Compton scattering section of another textbook and saw, "the scattered wavelength is angle-dependent and is greatest for scattering in the backward direction (\theta = 180^{\circ})." So there you go.
 
I get 3.86% using three significant figures for all constants:

lambda = 1.21*10^(-10) m
m =9.11*10^(-31) kg
c = 3.00*10^8 m/s
h = 6.63+10^(-34) J*s

I get 3.90% if I take m = 9.00*10^(-31) kg
 

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