Is D2/D1 = 0 the Ideal Condition for Pressure Loss in a Pipe?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of pressure loss in a pipe, particularly focusing on the condition where the ratio D2/D1 approaches zero. Participants are exploring the implications of this ratio in fluid dynamics and its relevance to pipe design.

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  • Participants are questioning the meaning of D2/D1 = 0, with some clarifying that it represents a limiting case rather than an exact condition. They discuss scenarios involving fluid flow from a reservoir into a pipe and the implications of a significantly larger diameter at the entry point.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the concept of approaching zero in the context of pressure loss. There is recognition of the need for approximate K factors in practical applications, and some participants are considering the implications of these factors on design decisions.

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Participants note that K factors are approximate and that critical applications may require empirical testing to determine pressure losses accurately. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations of theoretical calculations in practical scenarios.

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what does the author mean by D2/ D1 = 0 ? when D2/ D1 = 0 , the pipe doesn't exist , right ?

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foo9008 said:

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what does the author mean by D2/ D1 = 0 ? when D2/ D1 = 0 , the pipe doesn't exist , right ?

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Right. The limiting case when D2/D1 = 0 applies when fluid is flowing from a wide-open volume, say a reservoir, into a pipe suddenly. The diameter of flow from the reservoir D1 is so huge in comparison to the diameter of the pipe D2 that the quantity D2/D1 → 0 in the limit.
 
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Right. The limiting case when D2/D1 = 0 applies when fluid is flowing from a wide-open volume, say a reservoir, into a pipe suddenly. The diameter of flow from the reservoir D1 is so huge in comparison to the diameter of the pipe D2 that the quantity D2/D1 → 0 in the limit.
so it's not exactly = 0 , it's approaching 0 , am i right ?
 
foo9008 said:
so it's not exactly = 0 , it's approaching 0 , am i right ?

Right. Think about a drain pipe going straight down from the floor of a swimming pool. The area of the pipe is negligible in comparison to the area of the pool. The next entry in the table is D2/D1 = 0.1, so the big pipe is ten times the diameter of the small pipe (and you use K=0.45). Anything much bigger than that, use 0.5.

Keep in mind these K factors are approximate; they will give you "pretty close" results. For really critical applications, pressure losses are determined by testing. If you're designing something where K=0.45 gives acceptable results but 0.5 does not, you need to re-think your approach.
 

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