Radioactive Decay Rates and the Relationship between Decay Constants

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between decay constants in a radioactive decay scenario involving multiple nuclei. The original poster presents a problem where nucleus A decays to B, which further decays to X or Y, and seeks to understand the conditions under which the number of nuclei of B increases, peaks, and then decreases.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the rate of accumulation of B and how it relates to the decay constants D1, D2, and D3. There is an exploration of the conditions for N2 to peak, with some questioning the implications of the decay constants and their relationships.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the equations governing the decay process and the conditions for N2 to reach a peak. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the decay constants, with differing interpretations of the textbook's conclusions and the need for intuitive understanding.

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Participants note that the original problem may not require advanced calculus techniques, as the course material focuses on basic parallel disintegration. There is also mention of potential discrepancies between the textbook answer and the equations discussed.

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Homework Statement


Consider nucleus A decaying to B with decay constant D1, B decays to either X or Y (decay constants D2 and D3). at t=0, number of nuclei of A,B,X and Y are J,J,0 and 0. and N1,N2,N3 and N4 are the number of nuclei of A,B,X and Y at any instant.
My question is, what is the relation between D1,D2 and D3 for B to first increase, peak and then decrease?

Homework Equations


rate of decay = DN

The Attempt at a Solution


I figured the rate of accumulation of B is N1D1- N2D2- N3D3, since this also involves N, I don't know how to figure out a relation between D1,D2 and D3 alone for the specified conditions. I also figured out that no matter what D1,D2,D3 are- after a long time B will have zero nuclei (so will A).
If D1 is greater it will cause a peak but I'm not sure how the values will change with subsequent change in N
 
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Your equation should read ## \frac{dN_2}{dt}= N_1D_1-N_2D_2-N_2D_3 ##, with an ## N_2 ## in the 3rd term. ## \\ ## When ## N_1D_1=N_2(D_2+D_3) ## that will be when ## N_2 ## peaks, with ## \frac{dN_2}{dt}=0 ##. ## \\ ## You can actually solve the equation ## \frac{dN_1}{dt}=-D_1 N_1 ## for ## N_1(t) ## , and plug into the ## \frac{dN_2}{dt} =N_1 D_1-N_2(D_2+D_3) ## equation, and solve this equation for ## N_2 =N_2(t) ##. (It's been a while since I did this particular calculation, but I believe it uses a technique of integrating factors). ## \\ ## As I remember it, when you have ## \frac{dX}{dt}+AX =f(t) ##, (where ## X=X(t) ##), you can multiply both sides by ## e^{At} ##, (called an integrating factor), and the left side is then ## \frac{d(Xe^{At})}{dt} ##. The right side has ## f(t)e^{At} ##, and you can then integrate to get ## Xe^{At} =\int f(t) e^{At} \, dt ##.
 
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Charles Link said:
Your equation should read ## \frac{dN_2}{dt}= N_1D_1-N_2D_2-N_2D_3 ##, with an ## N_2 ## in the 3rd term. ## \\ ## When ## N_1D_1=N_2(D_2+D_3) ## that will be when ## N_2 ## peaks, with ## \frac{dN_2}{dt}=0 ##. ## \\ ## You can actually solve the equation ## \frac{dN_1}{dt}=-D_1 N_1 ## for ## N_1(t) ## , and plug into the ## \frac{dN_2}{dt} =N_1 D_1-N_2(D_2+D_3) ## equation, and solve this equation for ## N_2 =N_2(t) ##. (It's been a while since I did this particular calculation, but I believe it uses a technique of integrating factors). ## \\ ## As I remember it, when you have ## \frac{dX}{dt}+AX =f(t) ##, (where ## X=X(t) ##), you can multiply both sides by ## e^{At} ##, (called an integrating factor), and the left side is then ## \frac{d(Xe^{At})}{dt} ##. The right side has ## f(t)e^{At} ##, and you can then integrate to get ## Xe^{At} =\int f(t) e^{At} \, dt ##.
Interesting, I understand this for the most part but I doubt my textbook wants me to derive the answer using the calculus you mentioned since only basic parallel disintegration is in our course- the answer given is simply D1>D2+D3 for the given conditions to occur, is there a simple intuitive way to know that?
 
Krushnaraj Pandya said:
Interesting, I understand this for the most part but I doubt my textbook wants me to derive the answer using the calculus you mentioned since only basic parallel disintegration is in our course- the answer given is simply D1>D2+D3 for the given conditions to occur, is there a simple intuitive way to know that?
I believe ## N_2 ## will always experience a peak. If ## D_2 ## and ## D_3 ## are very large, that will occur when ## N_2 ## is very close to zero and ## N_1 ## very close to its initial value. In this case, I believe your book has an incorrect answer. The equation that I posted is the correct equation: ## N_1 D_1=N_2(D_2+D_3) ##
 
Charles Link said:
I believe ## N_2 ## will always experience a peak. If ## D_2 ## and ## D_3 ## are very large, that will occur when ## N_2 ## is very close to zero and ## N_1 ## very close to its initial value. In this case, I believe your book has an incorrect answer. The equation that I posted is the correct equation: ## N_1 D_1=N_2(D_2+D_3) ##
I understand, thank you very much :D
 
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