Is Dark Energy an Established Force in the Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of dark energy, its potential classification as a force, and its relationship with dark matter and gravity. Participants explore theoretical implications, observational evidence, and the terminology used in the field, with a focus on the expansion of the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether dark energy is a tangible entity or more akin to a conceptual force like gravity.
  • There is a suggestion that dark energy might represent a fifth fundamental force or could indicate a repulsive aspect of gravity at large distances.
  • One participant emphasizes that dark matter is not like ordinary matter due to its lack of electromagnetic interaction, while dark energy is not understood as a consequence of gauge boson interactions.
  • Concerns are raised about the terminology of "dark energy," with one participant arguing that it conflates with the concept of energy and may lead to misunderstandings regarding the universe's expansion.
  • Another participant asserts that the existence of dark energy has been well established through observational data, referencing the WMAP and PLANCK results, and mentions that a Nobel prize was awarded for its discovery.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and implications of dark energy, with some asserting its established existence based on observational evidence, while others remain skeptical about its classification and the understanding of its role in the universe's expansion. No consensus is reached regarding the terminology or the implications of dark energy.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and implications of dark energy and dark matter, as well as the observational evidence supporting their existence. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and assumptions that are not universally accepted.

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Is dark energy an actual thing that can be collected or is it more like gravity, is exists but it's not really an object?

Is there anything about dark matter / energy that is agreed upon by scientists or has nothing about it been confirmed at all?
 
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Dark energy might be a 5th force. I've also heard it might be how gravity works at large distances (it becomes repulsive instead of attractive).
 
The best we can do with dark matter/energy is to say what it is not. Dark matter is not like ordinary matter because it does not interact via the EM force with anything else [to the best of our knowledge]. Dark energy is not like ordinary energy because it not the consequence of gauge boson interactions [again, to the best of our knowledge]. That may raise the question, 'well, what about gravitational energy?'. The short answer is we don't know much about gravity either, other than it arises wherever matter or energy exists, it is the only force known to be strictly attractive, and it too is not known to be mediated by a gauge boson. The other three fundamental forces swing both ways [attractive and repulsive]. It is therefore logical to suspect dark energy could be the repulsive twin of gravity, especially if gravity proves to be mediated by boson.
 
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Dear iDimension,

Dark energy is an infortunate name, as physicists so frequently love to do. It's synonimous to the expansion of the Universe, about whose causation we know nearly nothing, but the name helps to confuse the theme with the well known concept of energy and so promotes much desne cessary misunderstanding.We infer its existence from a supposed acceleration of the expansion of the Universe, that seems to me yet no convincingly comprovated. The existence of dark matter is nevertheless well established to my satisfaction, but not yet identified.
 
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Tollendal said:
Dark energy is an infortunate name, as physicists so frequently love to do. It's synonimous to the expansion of the Universe,
It isn't, though. You can have expansion without dark energy, and in fact the expansion models prior to late 1990s did not include it. What it does is cause the expansion to accelerate after a period of deceleration.

Tollendal said:
We infer its existence from a supposed acceleration of the expansion of the Universe, that seems to me yet no convincingly comprovated.
It's not 'supposed' - it's been well established through observations over the past two decades. See the WMAP and PLANCK results. A Nobel prize was awarded for its discovery.
 
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