Is density of a material affected by gravity? If so

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The discussion revolves around whether the density of a material is affected by gravity, with a focus on the implications for planetary formation in our solar system. Participants explore the relationship between gravity, density, and the composition of planets, particularly the distinction between terrestrial and gas giants.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how mixing different oils in a micro-gravity environment might work, drawing an analogy to the separation of materials in salad dressing.
  • The same participant suggests that the distribution of materials in the solar system, with heavier materials closer to the sun and lighter materials further out, could explain the formation of gas giants beyond Mars.
  • Another participant references external sources, indicating that temperature is a primary factor in the differentiation between rocky inner planets and gas giants.
  • A different participant explains that density is defined as mass over volume and states that gravity affects density by compressing matter, asserting that gravity does influence density.
  • This participant also challenges the initial hypothesis about planetary formation, arguing that gas giants require low temperatures to form and could not have formed close to the sun due to radiation pressure dispersing lighter materials.
  • Additionally, they mention the phenomenon of "hot Jupiters," suggesting that these gas giants likely formed far from their stars and migrated inward, rather than forming in their current locations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors influencing planetary formation, with some emphasizing temperature and others considering gravity's role in density. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanisms behind the distribution of materials in the solar system.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions about planetary formation and the effects of gravity and temperature, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or agreed upon.

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I was pondering this while I was staring at a salad dressing bottle at home (an oily dressing that doesn't stay mixed when untouched for a period of time...), how well could you mix (shake up) a bottle with different oils in a micro-gravity environment, if at all?

Moreover, my actual question is about the planets in our solar system. I noticed after (beyond) Mars it is essentially all gas planets (aside from the various belts of asteroids), could this be caused by the similar material separation I observe with a salad dressing?
The 'heavier' materials, while the planets were forming, would 'fall to the bottom' (closer to the sun) and the lighter matter would be further out?
If my idea is correct, then wouldn't that make Saturn 'lighter' than Jupiter; Uranus 'lighter' than Saturn? etc, etc.

I apologize if this has been asked already, I've had no luck finding it in the search bar...
 
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All matter has mass and occupies space (i.e., has volume). Density is defined as mass over volume (D = m/V). Mass is independent of gravity, unlike weight, which is the force exerted by mass due to the acceleration of gravity (F = ma). Volume is dependent on pressure, i.e., the same mass will have a greater density if it is compressed to a smaller volume because it makes the denominator of the density equation smaller. Gravity is a force that can compress matter, so the answer to your original question is YES, gravity does affect density. The answer to your real question is more complicated. Many "hot Jupiters" have been identified orbiting stars, that is, gas giants in very close orbits to their stars. Why our solar system sorted itself out the way it did is likely not clearly understood, but I doubt that it has anything to do with density.
 
liubare said:
Moreover, my actual question is about the planets in our solar system. I noticed after (beyond) Mars it is essentially all gas planets (aside from the various belts of asteroids), could this be caused by the similar material separation I observe with a salad dressing?
The 'heavier' materials, while the planets were forming, would 'fall to the bottom' (closer to the sun) and the lighter matter would be further out?
That's not how planets form. As mathman noted, it was temperature driven. Gas giants need low temperatures to form. They couldn't have formed close into infant sun. Terrestrial planets could form there, but they wouldn't have been able to get massive enough to hold the ices, volatiles, and gases that form much of the giant planets. So where did that lighter stuff go? Simple. When the infant sun ignited as a star, the radiation pressure blew all the incorporated dust and gas out of the solar system.
DavidKutzler said:
The answer to your real question is more complicated. Many "hot Jupiters" have been identified orbiting stars, that is, gas giants in very close orbits to their stars.
The current thinking is that those hot Jupiters formed far from their parent stars but migrated inwards during planetary formation. Astrophysicists are almost certain that they couldn't have formed close in; it doesn't make sense. For more info, google "type II migration".
 
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