Is Determinant Multiplication Commutative and What Does |AB|=|BA| Imply?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the commutativity of determinant multiplication, specifically whether the equation |A||B|=|B||A|=|AB|=|BA| holds true. Participants explore the implications of |AB|=|BA| and its relevance in various mathematical and physical contexts.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the multiplication of determinants is commutative and propose the equation |A||B|=|B||A|=|AB|=|BA| as a basis for discussion.
  • One participant suggests that the determinant has various uses, including measuring linear dimensions and testing linear dependence among vectors.
  • Another participant discusses the interpretation of matrix multiplication as a composition of linear functions, relating it to transformations and their effects on vectors.
  • Examples are provided, such as rotation matrices having a determinant of 1, which indicates that the transformation preserves length.
  • There is mention of groups in physics, particularly Special Unitary groups, and their properties related to determinants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of agreement regarding the properties of determinants and their implications, but no consensus is reached on the commutativity of determinant multiplication or the implications of |AB|=|BA|.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various mathematical properties and applications of determinants without resolving the underlying assumptions or definitions that may influence their claims.

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is multiplication of determinant commutative ?
if so , then is this correct: |A||B|=|B||A|=|AB|=|BA| ?
then what does |AB|=|BA| imply ??
 
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hi phymatter! :wink:
phymatter said:
is multiplication of determinant commutative ?
if so , then is this correct: |A||B|=|B||A|=|AB|=|BA| ?

yup! :smile:
then what does |AB|=|BA| imply ??

that all is right with the world! :wink:
 
phymatter said:
is multiplication of determinant commutative ?
if so , then is this correct: |A||B|=|B||A|=|AB|=|BA| ?
then what does |AB|=|BA| imply ??

The determinant has a lot of different uses.

In one sense it measures a linear measure in some dimension (in general we call it a parallelpiped in dimension n).

Another common use is to test linear dependence of a set of vectors (unit basis or elsewise).

Typically when we think about the product of two matrices, one way to view them is to view them as a composition of maps (or composition of linear functions).

Like if we had a function f(g(x)) using a AB we have f(g(A)) where A isn't necessarily a single number or even a vector, but instead a general matrix.

So this measure of a transformation gives information to how it changes another system (usually a vector but sometimes a matrix).

For example a rotation matrix has a determinant of 1. This means that the transformation preserves length when applied to some vector input. So if you had two rotation matrices and you used composition of maps (in this case ABC where they are all rotation matrices), then the composition of all these maps applied to any vector will conserve the length and computationally this can be proved using det(ABC) = det(A) x det(B) x det(C) = 1 x 1 x 1 = 1. This is a good property to have since any composition of rotations will preserve length.

In physics, you will have things called groups and a lot of groups used in high level physics have certain properties like the rotation matrices I mentioned above. Things like Special Unitary (SU(N)) have this kind of property.
 
thanks tiny-tim and chiro!
 

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