Well, Poolman, this is hands-down the funniest post I've read in several months. I applaud you for your entertainment value.
Poolman said:
meaning that most mathematic courses are combined with their related and real life computer theory courses along with lab (in most cases).
Okay. In which class do you learn how to solve partial differential equations?
It’s kind of hard to explain, but I will try the best I can. In most other universities, you spend two years taking the basic classes regardless of what you chosen degree is well before choosing your major, Writing, Physiology, History, ect… None that pertain to your chosen field, thus… a waste of time.
Most decent universities can't actually pack a complete undergraduate engineering degree into two years, Most
do not require engineering students to take two full years of humanities.
When you enroll into a—state recognized—bachelor degree program that is accelerated you must already possesses the required education that can supplement for the two years required. This is usually done at a local collage or high school. I’m not talking about typical high school education, I’m talking about advance Algebra, Calculus, Trig, ect…
Algebra II, Trig, and Calculus should be standard high-school fare for any student who expects to do well in a technical field. AP Calculus classes are offered in high schools all over the country.
If you try to enroll at Devry with a typical high school education, you will not be able to take the CET program along with most of their Bachelor degrees they offer. So, in a sense, the three year program is actually a five year program, four depending how smart you are.
Let me get this straight... DeVry's three-year program is actually a five-year program, if you include the other two years of classes you were supposed to have taken in high school.
Another thing you seem to fail to understand is that computer engineering related mathematics is totally different the your basic advance math courses offered at your typical collages.
Well, let's see here, kiddo. I hold a bachelor's of computer engineering from Virginia Tech, and am nearly done with a master's of electrical engineering at Stanford. I'm a senior staff integrated circuit design engineer for a billion-dollar company on the NASDAQ-100. And you're going to try to tell me about "engineering-related math?"
Not only do you need to be proficient in basic mathematics, but you need to understand how to apply and plug in different numbering systems such as to each branch of mathematics. Numbering systems such as binary, octal, decimal, hexadecimal.
Arithmetic bases should be taught at the beginning of an introductory computer engineering course. Generally, most classes expect students to completely master arithmetic in a couple of
weeks. Representation of signed numbers and floating-point numbers should take another couple of weeks, and that's it.
Imagine trying to use the rules of simple addition to a totally different number system! A number system as most know it consists of 10 digits, but try a 16 digit code such as hexadecimal that not only use numbers, but letters as well such as adding 8F + 2A for instance.
If the hardest problems you've ever faced at DeVry involved adding hexadecimal numbers, you have completely cemented my belief that DeVry is a joke, and should not be respected in any way.
And that’s just one numbering system using addition for crying out loud. Now imagine trying to plug in a hexadecimal number into something as complicated as advance graphing, or trig?
Mathematics is exactly the same no matter what arithmetic base you use. Even arithmetic itself (addition and so on) is performed by hand using the same algorithms. There is absolutely nothing interesting, or difficult, about arithmetic. You don't realize it, but your attempt to impress us has failed miserably. You haven't learned any real math there at all.
It's as if you went to a school to study "rocket science," but all they managed to teach you was which way is up.
Maybe this is what you were referring to as “comparative languages” in your post.
No. Comparative language classes compare the features, syntax, and implementations of various different programming languages. They're usually taken after the student has mastered two or three languages already.
The solo math courses that they do offer such as Algebra, Calculus, Trig, ect is not math 105 my friend, and those courses are designed around all the different numbering systems, not basic 10 digit code. In nearly each class, you apply math with a vengeance, I crunched numbers hours a day, every single day I went to that school, not just in the solo math courses.
Wow, what a pathetic excuse for an education! Rather than actually learning any real math, all you did was algebra with numbers in different bases?
Do you know how to use linear algebra to solve simultaneous equations? Do you know what a linear transformation is, and what the terms 'kernel' and 'image' mean? Do you know how to perform differentiation under the integral sign to compute difficult integrals? Do you know how to get a Taylor expansion of a expression? Do you know to solve elementary ordinary differential equations by separation? Do you know what a 'generalized coordinate' is? Do you know how to find the Fourier transform of a discrete sequence? Do you know how to determine whether or not a linear system is stable? Do you know how to use the KVL and KCL to solve passive circuits? Do you know what the
virtual short and
virtual open principles are for op-amps? Do you know how to build a 2-to-1 multiplexer out of AND gates? Do you know how to write a priority encoder in Verilog? Do you know how to write an I2C slave in microcontroller firmware? Do you know how to write a keyboard ISR for the PC platform? Do you know what the model-view-controller pattern is? Do you know how to write a binary search? Do you know how to balance a red-black tree? Do you know which sort is best when your data set is nearly sorted already? Do you know which list data structures allow constant-time insertion?
These are all things I expect
anyone who claims to have an education in computer engineering to know.
Please keep in mind, this is the average starting salary for all courses, not just Computer engineering courses.
Translation: The link you gave doesn't support your claim, it supports mine. Congratulations.
As far as the name of any Computer engineering course is concerned, I find that Ignorant of you to say the least. The reason I’m saying that is because each and every collage that offers a BA in computer engineering also has a different name for the degree… Pure ignorance on your part.
1) Learn how to spell
college, for God's sake.
2) Computer engineering is a
BS degree.
You may not like it, but I do know what the heck I’m talking about, after all, it’s my chosen field of study at the school your obviously wrong about. Don’t you think I would know? So don’t just sit their and spill your Bull%#$^ redirect on me because it won't work.
Of course it'll work. I know a hell of a lot more about this field than you do.
It’s not like I’m trying to sell you something, or spin something on you. Quite frankly, you can be as ignorant as you want to be, all I was doing was speaking realities
Of course you're trying to spin this. You're trying to convince me that DeVry is a good school because they made you do a lot of hexadecimal arithmetic. That happens to be completely laughable. Good show.
- Warren
Oh well, I guess that's why I'm not a computer engineer.