Is division by zero a logical error in this proof?

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The discussion revolves around the logical implications of division by zero in a specific proof involving algebraic manipulation. Participants analyze the validity of the proof and the assumptions made, particularly focusing on the consequences of assuming equality between two variables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that the proof leads to false results, asserting that two entities cannot equal three, indicating a logical error in the reasoning.
  • Another participant points out that while the equation (a - t/2)^2 = (b - t/2)^2 is valid, it does not imply a - t/2 = b - t/2 without considering the possibility of negative roots.
  • A different participant introduces the assumption that if a < b, then a - t/2 < 0 and b - t/2 > 0, suggesting a relationship between the values of a and b.
  • Some participants emphasize that multiplying both sides of an equation by (a - b) when a = b leads to a logical inconsistency, as it results in multiplying by zero.
  • There is a reiteration that moving from 0=0 to a specific expression involves division by zero, which is deemed nonsensical by participants.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the proof and the implications of division by zero. There is no consensus on the correctness of the proof or the interpretations of the mathematical operations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of the proof, particularly regarding assumptions about equality and the implications of multiplying by zero. The discussion remains focused on the logical structure rather than resolving the mathematical steps involved.

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That's false!, since this logic a + b = t
(a + b)(a - b) = t(a - b)
a^2 - b^2 = ta - tb
a^2 - ta = b^2 - tb
a^2 - ta + (t^2)/4 = b^2 - tb + (t^2)/4
(a - t/2)^2 = (b - t/2)^2
a - t/2 = b - t/2
a = b

gives false results there must be an error in it because we know that two things will never equal 3 things that's impossible. 2 is not 3, you know this. A person who did this proof should have doubted his logic because it produce the obviously false results.


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The mistake is near the end:

(a - t/2)^2 = (b - t/2)^2
is correct, but this does not necessarily mean that
a - t/2 = b - t/2

Since a square root can be positive or negative, (a - t/2)^2 = (b - t/2)^2 implies that:
either
(1) a - t/2 = b - t/2
or
(2) a - t/2 = - (b - t/2)

From (2):
a - t/2 = t/2 - b
a + b = t/2 + t/2
a + b = t
We're back where we started!
 
Since t/2 = (a+b)/2, |a - t/2| = |b - t/2|. Assume a < b, then a - t/2 < 0 and b - t/2 > 0.
 
If a=b, multiplying (a-b) both sides doesn't make any sense because a-b=0. Because that way any equation could be proven true. Just multiply 0 both sides and say 0=0.
 
If a=b, multiplying (a-b) both sides doesn't make any sense because a-b=0. Because that way any equation could be proven true. Just multiply 0 both sides and say 0=0.
No... If you say that x=Sqrt(b)+c-d, then yes this equation implies that 0*x=0*(Sqrt(b)+c-d) which means that 0=0. The opposite, going from 0=0 to x=Sqrt(b)+c-d involves division by zero, which doesn't make sense.

I think Michael C hit the nail on the head.
 
NeuroFuzzy said:
No... If you say that x=Sqrt(b)+c-d, then yes this equation implies that 0*x=0*(Sqrt(b)+c-d) which means that 0=0. The opposite, going from 0=0 to x=Sqrt(b)+c-d involves division by zero, which doesn't make sense.


Well we both basically mean the same thing.
 

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