Is dowsing a reliable technique for finding well sites?

[Ivan Seeking]

Firstly it is a 6th sense. How does it work? There is too much involved to cover the whole area of mental dowsing in one go, however I feel on an intelligent forum such as this one you will ask the leading questions which will keep the debate going.

Firstly, where do you get this information? Can you supply any links?

The physical laws involved are Geomatic Flux eminating via solar flares and UV rays which cancel them, plus the aid of lunar reflection to enhance dowsing ability.

In recent times scientists have been studying seriously the possible harmfull effects of the use of mobile phones of the area of the Cerebellum Cortex which they have discovered Co-ordinates muscles, learned skills and timing.

The Cerebellum Cortex sited just above each ear is the culprit if you are looking for
for the power transfer source of mental dowsing. This can be proved by attempting to mentally dowse with a powerfull magnet placed just above an ear and attempting to mentally activate a single dowsing rod clenched in the other hand on the other side of the body.

Indoors preferably, as this stage of learning to mentally dowse you will not realize that the Suns UV rays are cancelling out all dowsing activity.

You need to understand that to any scientist this sounds like nonsense. Can you supply any supporting information here? We are glad to consider your claims, but any theories and references must be supported with links, papers, data, or other evidence that can be tested and verified, otherwise, I would say that your theory has really big problems.

Note also that specific references to published information can only be taken seriously if the sources are cited or linked.

Can you dowse? Are you willing to be tested by a major university?

 

[dowser501]

Dowsing info

Re your query as to whether I would be willing to tested by a recognized University, the answer is a resounding YES. However living in southern Australia I have never heard of any Para normal studies being done in the Universities here.
The only assistance I have ever obtained would hardly be a recognized authority on the subject of dowsing. He was an elderly Irishman whom although unable to dowse himself , knew the basics and showed me the first steps to dowsing.
That was 22 years ago. He dropped dead soon afterwards.
A first year student may be able to tear my theories to pieces, however they are not theories so where do we go from here? I will admit that as an inventor, I have managed to give myself an edge which means that I can dowse under conditions that are impossible for normal demonstrations, which also means I can avoid making a fool of myself.
Instead of knocking me, try and help me understand my ability to the stage where it can be described in black and white. You are the guys with the education, and I just make things happen. regards Max

 

[zoobyshoe]

What's the closest town or city to you, Dowser, and how did you hear about this thread?

 

[dowser501]

Zoobyshoe, I was browsing the internet and discovered this forum accidentally.
I rather like this forum, as you all can at least spell.
I live near Melboune in the state of Victoria Australia.

 

[zoobyshoe]

What sort of stuff do you invent, and are you able to make ends meet with that?

 

[dowser501]

Zooby I am a fashion dezigner aged 74 and have always been able to conoct anything I need to assist me with what I am doing. Age is immaterial in my case as I have even managed to invent within limits HEALTH. I am a 50% working dezigner, some of your kids or grand kids may be wearing my garments right now, and a 50% occupied treasure trove hunter and ardent Archeologist.
I am very comfortable financially and have spent the past few years learning to be a descriptive writer, describing my many adventures in a way that I am told by many should be published. What NOW ?

 

[zoobyshoe]

1.What's your opinion of Vegemite?

2.Ever seen a yowie?

 

[dowser501]

I used to think that some primitive animal instinct to find water might be involved, but now, the only consistent explanation would seem to be magnetic field variations.
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The most uncanny and correct theory ( above) By Ivan is the closest explanation I could ever give after two decades of study of the subject of mental channeling known commonly as dowsing.

If I had ever finished schooling and was a professor giving exams on this subject Ivan would get full marks.

 

[dowser501]

Zooby, a zowie is as mythical as a zooby.
Vegemite was invented doing the great depression to add vitamins plus milk to malnourished school kids. I havn't eaten the stuff for maybe 60 years.
I feel I am losing my thread on this thread.

 

[(Q)]

A first year student may be able to tear my theories to pieces, however they are not theories so where do we go from here?

Nowhere, you’re story does not check out, its all nonsense.

I will admit that as an inventor, I have managed to give myself an edge which means that I can dowse under conditions that are impossible for normal demonstrations, which also means I can avoid making a fool of myself.

It’s fairly obvious you invented this ‘dowsing’ story so most likely your other stories are also manufactured.

Instead of knocking me, try and help me understand my ability to the stage where it can be described in black and white.

These forums are full of people with the ability to write fiction who try to pass it off as truth, but the reasons they do so are not clear and vary with each individual. Maybe, you’re just bored.

You are the guys with the education, and I just make things happen

Yes, but this is a science forum, not a place to practice writing fairy tales. It’s entertaining at first but quickly becomes rather futile.

I am very comfortable financially and have spent the past few years learning to be a descriptive writer, describing my many adventures in a way that I am told by many should be published. What NOW ?

You might want to consider doing a bit of background research in order to make your stories somewhat more plausible. It always helps when you use terms and descriptions that fit closely with the subject matter of the story rather than just making it up as you go along.

If I had ever finished schooling and was a professor giving exams on this subject Ivan would get full marks.

Birds of a feather…

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Birds of a feather…

I see that you are still with us O' feathered one.

 

[zoobyshoe]

I see that you are still with us O' feathered one.

(Q) is a delicate sealed vessel struggling to contain a mass of nutty notions, a pot waiting to crack. I think he secretly believes in the "wee folk".

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Now now, let's be nice.

 

[Tsu]

Nowhere, you’re story does not check out, its all nonsense.

So is your word usage and sentence structure.

 

[Arctic Fox]

You need to understand that to any scientist this sounds like nonsense. Can you supply any supporting information here? We are glad to consider your claims, but any theories and references must be supported with links, papers, data, or other evidence that can be tested and verified, otherwise, I would say that your theory has really big problems.

Well, hold on a minute. Maybe this is something we could test as well. Find a good dowser, tape a few magnets to his/her head, check the results.

I do have a feeling that the Earth’s magnetic field, as well as any stray fields, may have an impact on this one way or the other. I think I saw somewhere in here about someone getting headaches when around high voltage lines - I have this same problem. Could be a link somewhere... :)

Ivan: check your PM if it’s not too late.

 

[JohnDubYa]

RE: "I once spent 3 weeks in the deserts of Arizona looking for 3 bars of gold that someone swore was out there. Stupid old man."

I don't know about that. He had you looking for three weeks for gold that didn't even exist. :)

 

[(Q)]

I see that you are still with us O' feathered one

And I come back to find cheap shots have been taken against the humble Q. Let's look at them shall we?

Zooby sez:

(Q) is a delicate sealed vessel struggling to contain a mass of nutty notions, a pot waiting to crack. I think he secretly believes in the "wee folk".

*crack*

tsunami sez:

So is your word usage and sentence structure.

Now, here we have someone who must have stayed up half the night thinking up this lame remark. Of course, it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It’s also extremely poor netiquette to complain about syntax, especially when the one complaining needs to learn a thing or two on the subject. It’s off topic and adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. And it’s a flame.

All in all a post written in very poor taste indeed.

And the author is supposed to be a PF contributor – what a joke!

Hey tsunami, have you nothing to say? Could you possible see fit to squeeze a thought or two out of that gray matter you keep upstairs?

 

[(Q)]

I do have a feeling that the Earth’s magnetic field, as well as any stray fields, may have an impact on this one way or the other.

A ‘feeling?’ What about evidence, got any of that?

I think I saw somewhere in here about someone getting headaches when around high voltage lines - I have this same problem.

Why would anyone get headaches around high voltage lines? What is the connection?

 

[Arctic Fox]

Ivan, think someone should lock this topic and ban (q)?

This seems to be going off topic.

 

[(Q)]

Ivan, think someone should lock this topic and ban (q)?

Ban me? You want to ban me because I asked you a couple of questions?

Perhaps you have an anger management issue if something as simple as being asked a question leads you to hostility.

Why don't you tell us what you REALLY think?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

tsunami sez:

So is your word usage and sentence structure.

Now, here we have someone who must have stayed up half the night thinking up this lame remark. Of course, it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black. It’s also extremely poor netiquette to complain about syntax, especially when the one complaining needs to learn a thing or two on the subject. It’s off topic and adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. And it’s a flame.

All in all a post written in very poor taste indeed.

And the author is supposed to be a PF contributor – what a joke!

Hey tsunami, have you nothing to say? Could you possible see fit to squeeze a thought or two out of that gray matter you keep upstairs?

Tsunami: 8 words
Q: 130+ something

Now, here we have someone who must have stayed up half the night

 

[(Q)]

Tsunami: 8 words
Q: 130+ something

It all makes sense now - pseudoscientists don't look for content when qualifying written matter - instead, they count the number of words.

 

[JohnDubYa]

During trial runs, have the researcher place the dowsing stick in a holder so that the dowser cannot manipulate it with his fingers.

 

[Arctic Fox]

JohnDubYa: That’s not going to work. There is no “magick” working on the dowsing rods themselves - it is the dowsers' fingers/hands moving the rods.


(q): what I feel? I don’t know you, but from your presented attitude on nearly every one of your posts makes me feel like stuffing your eyeball sockets with overcooked spaghetti. Like I’ve said before; you don’t believe in dowsing, that’s fine, we heard you already... can you please move on now?

 

[FZ+]

Control yourself, (Q). An inflexible attitude is unhelpful. Chances are, the various dowsers are no lying. But that does not mean it is true. We need repeatability, and we need to take all evidence into account. On the weight of evidence, no conclusion can yet be made. Singular stories mean nothing.

We do know that humans have a slight capacity for sensing magnetic fields, though. I remember some studies, some time ago. It's probably a remnant from animals which navigated by magnetism. But I doubt it is so sensitive.

The challenge to dowsers is to show falsifiability, reliability, and of course, to do the trials. Onus of proof is on the claimant.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

On the hunt for grave sites

CATLIN – Stan Pentecost doesn't believe in ghosts, or UFOs, because he's the kind of guy who needs to see something to believe it. So, when he read that dowsing – using two rods to find underground water – could also be used to locate graves as well as determine the size and gender of the deceased, he had to try it.

"I still can't explain it, but it works," said Pentecost, a member of the Illiana Genealogical and Historical Society, and resident expert on Vermilion County's 138 cemeteries. Dowsing is a centuries-old practice of using wooden sticks or metal rods to locate underground sources of water, metal and graves. More commonly used for and associated with locating water sources, also referred to as "water witching," members of the Illiana historical society decided to test the practice Sunday afternoon northeast of Catlin at Pate Cemetery, an old plot where the perimeters are uncertain and headstones have been destroyed or removed.

After a brief orientation on the technique for the 20 people – some skeptical, but all curious – who gathered at the cemetery, Pentecost demonstrated dowsing, and then passed out pairs of rods for everyone to try. To dowse, a person holds lightly, by the short ends, two L-shaped metal rods in front of them with arms at a 90-degree angle, elbows at the waist and forearms extended parallel to the ground. When crossing a grave, or water, the two rods will move from their parallel position to a crossed position, and back to parallel when moving away from the grave.

Pentecost's own words, "I can't explain it, but it works," were heard over and over again Sunday as people walked around the cemetery and watched the rods cross in front of their own eyes. [continued]

http://www.news-gazette.com/story.cfm?Number=16350

 

[zoobyshoe]

Trouble with that story is that, although the rods mysteriously crossed for anyone who tried "dowsing" there is no mention in the story of any of the sites having been actually dug up to see if any bodies were where the rods indicated. I hope they aren't just going to take it on faith without checking.

 

[JohnDubYa]

When the rods cross, do they find graves, or water, or minerals? Is there a setting, such as on a dial, that you use to zero in on a particular target?

 

[zoobyshoe]

Is there a setting, such as on a dial, that you use to zero in on a particular target?

John, I guess you didn't read the whole article Tt's somewhat worse than that: in this group of dowsers they can tell if the bodies are male or female. Read it. Check it out.

 

[Arctic Fox]

When the rods cross, do they find graves, or water, or minerals? Is there a setting, such as on a dial, that you use to zero in on a particular target?

I just depends on what it is you’re looking for. For me, I just try and get an image in my mind of what I’m wanting to find, and then go walking around (usually with eyes closed) until I find it.

I can't explain it, but it works.

That one line sums it up.

I think one could dowse for anything.