Is every Closed set a complete space?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between closed sets and completeness in metric spaces, exploring whether every closed set is a complete space. It touches on concepts from topology, including cluster points, limit points of Cauchy sequences, and the implications of different topological structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that a closed set contains all its cluster points, while a complete set contains all limit points of Cauchy sequences, suggesting similarities between the two concepts.
  • Others argue that topology is independent of the chosen metric, raising questions about the relevance of metric spaces to the discussion of closed sets and completeness.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the relationship between closed sets and completeness in metric spaces, particularly in relation to open intervals and closed intervals on the real line.
  • One participant asserts that a closed set is not always a complete space, citing the existence of Cauchy sequences that do not converge in certain metric topologies.
  • Another participant states that while a complete subset of a metric space is always closed, the converse is not necessarily true, providing an example of a closed set that is not complete.
  • There is a clarification regarding the definition of a metric space, distinguishing it from a Riemannian manifold.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between closed sets and completeness, with some asserting that closed sets are not necessarily complete while others provide conditions under which closed sets can be complete. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of completeness on the chosen metric and the possibility of different metrics leading to different completeness properties. There is also mention of specific examples that illustrate these points, but no consensus is reached on the overarching question.

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a closed set contains all its cluster (accumulation) points: points for which any open neighborhood around them no matter how small contains points from the set.
a complete set contains all limit points of Cauchy sequences. which are very similar to cluster points.
My question is: in a metric space and a closed interval (usual topology) is it possible to have points clustering without a cluster point?
 
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Closed sets and cluster points are concerns of topology and topology is independent of the chosen metric. Saying the space is metric does not factor into topological considerations. How familiar are you with the ideas of modern topology and manifolds?
 
I know they are topological considerations, but a metric space is a topological space and it has special properties, for example a metric space is "normal" which is not true for a general topological space. I am just wondering if in a metric space with a topology generated by open balls if closed sets and completeness properties are related . just like an open interval (EDIT: on the Real line) is not a complete metric space yet a closed interval would contain all its limit points..

I'm not so familiar, i just have been opening some books (M.Nakahara and P. Szekeres ) which are beyond my level, a lot of this I've seen yesterday for the first time..

Thanks!
 
The reverse is true independent of the chosen topology, while the doubt about the direct statement/question relies in the possibility that some Cauchy sequences wrt the metric topology are not convergent wrt the same topology. I'm sure a mathematician could come up with a Cauchy sequence which is not convergent wrt some metric topology, so that a closed set is not always a complete space.
 
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If a subset of a metric space is complete, then the subset is always closed. The converse is true in complete spaces: a closed subset of a complete space is always complete.

An example of a closed set that is not complete is found in the space X=\mathbb{R}\setminus \mathbb{Q}, with the usual metric. Then X is a closed set of itself but is not complete.
Curiously, there exists a metric on X such that X does become complete (and such that the topology doesn't change). So we say that X is complete metrizable (i.e. there exists a metric such that the metric space is complete, this does NOT mean that the space is complete for every metric).

One can say that a closed set of a complete metrizable space is complete metrizable. But there is not much more we can say.

A space that is not complete metrizable is \mathbb{Q}.
 
Wait a minute. By metric space, you mean Riemannian manifold, don't you? If not, then I have no idea.
 
No, by 'metric space' mathematicians mean <set endowed with a metric> in the sense of topology, not <manifold with a metric> in the sense of differential geometry.
 

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