Is f Isomorphic? - Defining and Proving a Function

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The discussion revolves around defining a function f from the set of complex numbers C to a set S of formal expressions of the form a + bi, where a and b are real numbers. The original poster seeks to establish whether the function is isomorphic by demonstrating that it is one-to-one and onto, as well as verifying its behavior under addition and multiplication.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definitions of the sets involved, particularly questioning the nature of C and S. There is discussion about the mapping of tuples to complex numbers and the implications of the function being onto.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the definitions and properties of the sets involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the proof for the onto property, with suggestions for more detailed reasoning being discussed. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to deepen understanding without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original definitions were taken from a textbook, which may have contributed to some confusion regarding the notation and the nature of the sets involved. The informal approach to proving onto functions from the textbook is also highlighted as a point of concern for some participants.

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Homework Statement


Hi. First post here. I searched for this problem and nothing I saw helped. Sorry. Thanks in advance for help.

define a function f: C -----> S by:
f(a,b) = a+bi where a,b \inR

We leave it to reader to check that f is one-one and onto and that:

f((a,b)+(c,d)) = f((a,b)) + f((c,d))

and

f((a,b)(c,d))=f(a,b)f(c,d)

Homework Equations



a+bi = (a,b)
(a+bi)+(c+di) = (a+c) + (b+d)i
(a+bi)(c+di)=(ac-bd)+(bc+ad)i

The Attempt at a Solution



Here's what I've done so far.

f((a,b)+(c,d))=(a+c)+(b+d)i=(a+bi)+(c+di)=f(a,b)+f(c,d)

f((a,b)(c,d))=(ac-bd)+(bc+ad)i=(a+bi)(c+di)=f(a,b)f(c,d)

sp' f(a,b)=f(a',b')

then a+bi=a'+b'i
then (a,b)=(a',b')
but this is only true if a=a' and b=b' So f(a,b)=f(a',b') implies (a,b)=(a',b')

HERE'S where I'm especially not sure:

onto:

suppose we have a+bi. By definition of function, there is an a,b s.t. f(a,b)=a+bi. Therefore onto.


Thanks a lot guys.
 
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mathstudent79 said:
define a function f: C -----> S by:
f(a,b) = a+bi where a,b \inR

I'm not sure I understand this part. Is C the set of all complex numbers? What is S? And since (a,b) is a two-tuple, shouldn't f: R^2 -> S? (or some subset of R^2 to S?)
 
I'm sorry,

yes, C is set of Complex Nos. No argument with your observation, but I copied that directly from the book (Modern Algebra, a Natural Approach, Gardiner)

Thanks a lot.
 
As for S, I forgot to put:

'We consider the set S of all formal expressions of the form: a+bi, where a,b\inR"

Again, with the R, direct quote.

Thanks.
 
With the clarifications, the logical steps look correct here. I might flesh out more details for steps such as onto. Since they both draw from all of the reals, I feel that is an important in between step for clarification.
 
Sethric, thank you.

As you know, the onto was the part I was especially not sure of. The book I am studying from has very informal and (to my amateur eye) intuitive proofs for onto functions. Along the lines of 'take any b in B. then f(a)=b for some a in A. Thus the function is onto.' Can you give me a couple of more details on the sort of clarifications or fleshing out you're referring to, if you don't mind? Thank you again.
 
If I were proving the onto, I would go along the lines of:

Let a+bi \in S

Then a,b \in R

Therefore, since C = R^2, (a,b) \in C and f((a,b)) = a+bi.

Essentially I would just want to show that that particular a and b are actually in the original set. Showing they were both formed from the reals is enough here, but might not be in future questions.
 
Sethric -

Thank you very much!
 

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