Is $|f(\theta)|$ less than or equal to the sum of the absolute values of $A_n$?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the boundedness of a function \( f \) and the absolute values of a series \( A_n \). Participants explore whether \( |f(\theta)| \) is less than or equal to the sum of the absolute values of \( A_n \), with a focus on the implications of \( f \) being bounded and the nature of the series involved.

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  • Some participants propose that if \( f \) is bounded, then \( \sup_n |A_n| \) must be finite, leading to a contradiction if \( \sup_n |A_n| \) were infinite.
  • Others argue that the statement \( |f(\theta)| = \sum_{n = -\infty}^{\infty} |A_n| \) is incorrect, suggesting instead that \( |f(\theta)| \) should be expressed as \( |f(\theta)| = \left| \sum_{n = -\infty}^{\infty} A_n e^{in\theta} \right| \).
  • A later reply emphasizes the use of the triangle inequality to establish that \( |f(\theta)| \leq \sum_{n = -\infty}^{\infty} |A_n| \), but does not conclude that they are equal.
  • Participants note that since \( |e^{in\theta}| = 1 \), the absolute values of the terms in the series can be manipulated accordingly.

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There is no consensus on the exact relationship between \( |f(\theta)| \) and \( \sum_{n = -\infty}^{\infty} |A_n| \). While some participants agree on certain properties of the series and the function, others contest specific formulations and implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the completeness of the original question and the implications of the boundedness of \( f \). There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to the convergence and behavior of the series involved.

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Supposing $f$ is bounded and $A_n$ is given by 1-8, prove that $\sup_n|A_n|$ is finite.
$$
f(\theta) = \sum_{n = -\infty}^{\infty}A_ne^{in\theta}
$$

Since $f$ is bounded, $|f| < M = |z|\in\mathbb{C}$. Since it could be $\mathbb{C}$, $M$ would be the modulus correct?
We know that the modulus of $e^{in\theta}$ is 1 so $|f| = \sum\limits_{n = \infty}^{\infty}|A_n|$.
How to finish it?
 
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dwsmith said:
Supposing $f$ is bounded and $A_n$ is given by 1-8, prove that $\sup_n|A_n|$ is finite.

Hi dwsmith, :)

I think you haven't written the whole question. What is "1-8" ?

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 
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Sudharaka said:
Hi Jameson, :)

I think you haven't written the whole question. What is "1-8" ?

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.

Hi Jameson? Have I been promoted?

That is the whole question. 1-8 is the series. I did it like this:
Suppose $\sup_n|A_n|$ is infinite and $f$ is bounded.
Since $f$ is bounded,
$$
|f| = \sum\limits_{n = -\infty}^{\infty}|A_n| < M\in\mathbb{R}
$$
because $|e^{in\theta}| = 1$.
Since $f$ is bounded, $|A_n|\to 0$ but $\sup_n|A_n|$ infinite.
Therefore, we have a contradiction and $\sup_n|A_n|$ must be finite.
 
dwsmith said:
Hi Jameson? Have I been promoted?

Ha ha, sorry dwsmith, I seem to go nuts here trying to do a couple of things at once. :D

dwsmith said:
That is the whole question. 1-8 is the series. I did it like this:
Suppose $\sup_n|A_n|$ is infinite and $f$ is bounded.
Since $f$ is bounded,
$$
|f| = \sum\limits_{n = -\infty}^{\infty}|A_n| < M\in\mathbb{R}
$$
because $|e^{in\theta}| = 1$.
Since $f$ is bounded, $|A_n|\to 0$ but $\sup_n|A_n|$ infinite.
Therefore, we have a contradiction and $\sup_n|A_n|$ must be finite.

For the moment I can't think of a way to prove this, but it is not true that,

\[|f(\theta)| = \sum\limits_{n = -\infty}^{\infty}|A_n|\]

It should be,

\[|f(\theta)|=\left|\sum_{n = -\infty}^{\infty}A_ne^{in\theta}\right|=\left|\lim_{m\rightarrow\infty}\sum_{n = -m}^{m}A_ne^{in\theta}\right|\]

Now by >>this<< theorem we can conclude,

\[|f(\theta)|=\lim_{m\rightarrow\infty}\left|\sum_{n = -m}^{m}A_ne^{in\theta}\right|\]

By the triangular inequality,

\[|f(\theta)|\leq\lim_{m\rightarrow\infty}\sum_{n = -m}^{m}\left|A_ne^{in\theta}\right|=\sum_{n = -\infty}^{\infty}\left|A_n\right|\]

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 
Sudharaka said:
Ha ha, sorry dwsmith, I seem to go nuts here trying to do a couple of things at once. :D
For the moment I can't think of a way to prove this, but it is not true that,

\[|f(\theta)| = \sum\limits_{n = -\infty}^{\infty}|A_n|\]

It should be,

\[|f(\theta)|=\left|\sum_{n = -\infty}^{\infty}A_ne^{in\theta}\right|=\left|\lim_{m\rightarrow\infty}\sum_{n = -m}^{m}A_ne^{in\theta}\right|\]

Now by >>this<< theorem we can conclude,

\[|f(\theta)|=\lim_{m\rightarrow\infty}\left|\sum_{n = -m}^{m}A_ne^{in\theta}\right|\]

By the triangular inequality,

\[|f(\theta)|\leq\lim_{m\rightarrow\infty}\sum_{n = -m}^{m}\left|A_ne^{in\theta}\right|=\sum_{n = -\infty}^{\infty}\left|A_n\right|\]

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.

$|e^{in\theta}| = 1$ so $\sum|A_ne^{in\theta}| = \sum|A_n|$
since $|z_1z_2| = |z_1||z_2|$.
 
dwsmith said:
$|e^{in\theta}| = 1$ so $\sum|A_ne^{in\theta}| = \sum|A_n|$
since $|z_1z_2| = |z_1||z_2|$.

Yes that's correct. Hence,

\[|f(\theta)|\leq\sum_{n = -\infty}^{\infty}\left|A_n\right|\]

So to reiterate, you cannot write,

\[|f(\theta)|=\sum_{n = -\infty}^{\infty}\left|A_n\right|\]
 

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