Is force independent of reference frame?

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Forces are not independent of reference frames, as Newton's second law is only valid in inertial frames. In non-inertial frames, fictitious forces must be introduced to account for the observed acceleration. When analyzing forces in an accelerating reference frame, the net force includes both real forces and these fictitious forces. The discussion emphasizes that without accounting for fictitious forces, one cannot accurately apply Newton's second law in non-inertial frames. Understanding the distinction between inertial and non-inertial frames is crucial for correctly applying the principles of mechanics.
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Recently, I have been wondering whether forces are independent of reference frames(inertial and non inertial). From Newton's law we know that the second law is valid only for inertial frames. But what about the non inertial frames. Let ∑F be the net force on an object in an inertial reference frame k. Let 'm' be it's mass and 'a' be it's acceleration in the frame k.

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By Newton's second law in the frame k, ∑F = m×a

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Acceleration can have different meaning for different reference frames but certainly we can't conclude about the net force using the second law for both the inertial and non inertial reference frames as it's valid for only one of the cases. So do we then take into consideration the fictitious forces for the non inertial cases for the purpose of calculating the net force. How does it explains then? Please help!
 
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In terms of fictitious forces and non-inertial (accelerating) reference frames, there must be lots online (assuming you don't have a mechanics text that explains it). The way I look at it is:

If you are accelerating to the right at ##a_0##, and you want to explain things from your accelerating reference frame, where everything is accelerating to the left at ##-a_0##. You have to imagine a fictitious force, proportional to the mass, on everything. For a body of mass ##m## the force is ##F_f = -ma_0##.

If there is a real force ##F## on that body, then the net force (in your reference frame) is ##F_{net} = F + F_f = F - ma_0##.

And, if you observe an acceleration of ##a_{net}## then you know that the real force on the object is ##F = F_{net} + ma_0 = m(a_{net} + a_0)##
 
Thanks, but can you please tell me what are the types of forces that Newton's second law takes into consideration?
 
sandyforever said:
Thanks, but can you please tell me what are the types of forces that Newton's second law takes into consideration?

I'm not sure I understand. All forces. But, the second law doesn't apply in a non-inertial reference frame unless you add in the fictitious forces.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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