Is God Truly Free to Choose His Own Nature?

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The discussion centers on the nature of God's free will and the implications of His ability to choose between good and evil. Participants explore whether God, being inherently good, can possess free will if He cannot choose evil. This leads to the Euthyphro dilemma, questioning if morality is defined by God's nature or if He is bound by an external moral standard. The conversation touches on the uncertainty inherent in theism, suggesting that if God cannot choose evil, He lacks true free will, which raises concerns about His divinity. Some argue that God must have free will since humans possess it, while others contend that free will is an illusion shaped by environmental factors. The dialogue also examines the constraints on God, such as the laws of physics, and whether His actions are genuinely free or predetermined by His nature. Ultimately, the discussion reflects a deep philosophical inquiry into the relationship between divine power, morality, and free will, with various interpretations of what it means for God to be good or evil.
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I must say I'm agnostic, I just stumbled into this thread out of the 'dark woods', but there are a few things I think that have been neglected in this discussion. I think God can't choose evil because I think evil can be defined as what God doesn't favour, or 'choose'. Evil is what is against Gods wishes. Does this mean that God has no Free Will? I don't think so, you can't choose what you don't choose. I agree with your point on Pantheism, Hypnagogue: if god is merely everything that exists combined, and this entity has free will with no constraint, then A) what the are all the physicists doing trying to find a fundamental mathematical equation for the workings of the universe if it can alter itself at will, and B) why has their research yielded such consistent and experimentally sound results?

Of course it could be argued that there is an element of uncertainty to the universe (enter uncertainty principle) and this is an opening for the will of god to alter the consititution, and in that sense Einstein's assertion that 'God does not play dice with the universe' could have been retorted with 'he doesn't have to, he controls the dice', but the reason that physics theories such as Relativity have yeided such impressive results is because the randomness is so small scale and so rare that it can be done away with in explaining everyday physical events. Does God have the power to change the universe but only does so once in a blue moon, and only one elementary particle at a time? If so, than God must be more than just the sum of the universe (otherwise there wouldn't be this veil that stops us seeing the cause of these random events, the universe would be choosing them, they would not be random) or if God is merely the combined total of all things, he is constrained because it can still be up to chance.

Thanks, Babsyco.
 
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Forgot to mention, that is of course assuming that the Uncertainty principle is correct, which maybe I shouldn't.

Thanks, Babsyco.
 
  • #33
God cannot be evil as it defies logic. Our sense of good and evil is tyied into our idea of God. God by definition must be good because if he was even slitly evil then we would all be aware of his existence. And we wouldn't have free will

God has freewill because if God didnt have free will, He would not be God

God has left his finger prints all over the universe. There is scientific evidence pointing torward God.
 
  • #34
Preator Fenix said:
Is God free to do as he please's?

If so what certaintly do we have that he ultimatly is not evil, or weaher he has the capacity to be or not be evil?

Free will is the ability to decide freely, without captivity to environment, education, genetics, etc. In that sense, God has free will. There is no environment, education, genetics, etc, that determine God's mind.

On the other hand, intelligence and consciousness are attributes of God, and I cannot conceive of God as 'free' to not be intelligent, or cease from being conscious, etc.

So, I think on the matter of free will, God is free to be God, but not free to be anything other than God.
 

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