Is gravitational constant unchanging over age of universe?

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The discussion centers on whether the gravitational constant has remained unchanged since the beginning of the universe. Participants explore the implications of a potentially changing gravitational constant on gravitational forces and weight over time, considering both theoretical and observational perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question if the gravitational constant has always been the same, suggesting that gravitational forces might decrease as the universe ages, leading to a potential decrease in weight over billions of years.
  • One participant mentions that while there is no definitive proof of a changing gravitational constant, there is strong evidence indicating it has remained close to its current value for most of the last 13.8 billion years.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of relying on empirical evidence rather than intuition, cautioning against assumptions based on feelings about how gravitational forces should behave.
  • Experimental measurements indicate that the gravitational constant has not changed by more than 1 part in 10 billion per year over the last 9 billion years, and more recent measurements suggest changes of less than 2 parts in a trillion per year.
  • It is noted that current measurements may further constrain the gravitational constant's change to less than 0.1% over the history of the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the constancy of the gravitational constant, with some suggesting it may change over time while others argue that evidence supports its stability. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these viewpoints.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on experimental measurements that are not exact and the inherent constraints of observations from distant parts of the universe, which affect interpretations of the gravitational constant's behavior over time.

Gate2wire
do we know for a fact that the gravitational constant has always been the same since the dawn of the universe? I feel like gravitational forces should slowly be decreasing as the universe ages (meaning that assuming mass of Earth doesn't change, we should weigh a bit less in a billion years) ...but I can't find any articles on a changing gravitational constant, proving or disproving.
 
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Gate2wire said:
I feel like gravitational forces should slowly be decreasing as the universe ages (meaning that assuming mass of Earth doesn't change, we should weigh a bit less in a billion years)

why do YOU think that ?
 
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Gate2wire said:
do we know for a fact that the gravitational constant has always been the same since the dawn of the universe?

No, but we have strong evidence suggesting that it must have been within a very small amount of its current value for most of the last 13.8 billion years or so.

Gate2wire said:
I feel like gravitational forces should slowly be decreasing as the universe ages (meaning that assuming mass of Earth doesn't change, we should weigh a bit less in a billion years) ...but I can't find any articles on a changing gravitational constant, proving or disproving.

I'm sure there's at least a handful of papers out there dealing with this issue, but for the most part our observations of distant parts of the universe (corresponding to very far in the past) inherently place tight constraints on what the gravitational constant can be. Too high or too low and our universe just wouldn't look the way it does today when we view it through our telescopes.

I caution you against coming up with an idea based on how you "feel" something should be unless you are directly working in a specific field on a specific problem, and even then you should be careful. Human intuition is far from reliable.
 
Experimental measurements are never exact, so all we can do (in the absence of finding a change) is setting upper limits on the possible changes.

We know it changed by less than 1 part in 10 billion per year within the last 9 billion years: Measurement. In other words, it can't have been completely different billions of years ago.
More recent measurements are more precise, but limited to the last decades: In this time, the constant changed by less than 2 parts in a trillion per year: Measurement. Assuming a constant rate of change, this means the gravitational constant didn't change by more than 2% over the history of the universe. The current APOLLO measurements will improve this upper limit by a factor of about 20, constraining a linear change to less than 0.1% over the history of the universe.
 

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