Is Gravity a Physical Entity Like Light Waves?

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The discussion centers around the nature of gravity and whether it can be considered a physical entity similar to light waves. Participants explore the implications of gravitational waves, their speed, and the theoretical existence of gravitons, as well as the challenges in detecting gravitational phenomena compared to light.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravitational waves move at the same speed as light and question whether gravity is mediated by a physical entity similar to photons.
  • Others introduce the concept of gravitons as the theoretical particles that would mediate gravity, suggesting they could reconcile General Relativity with Quantum Mechanics.
  • One participant notes the difficulty in detecting individual gravitons due to their weak interactions, while acknowledging the potential for detecting gravitational waves in the future.
  • It is mentioned that while gravitational waves carry energy like light waves, they are generally much weaker and harder to detect due to the rarity of strong gravitational wave sources compared to strong light sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of gravity and the existence of gravitons, with no consensus reached on whether gravity can be classified as a physical entity like light.

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The discussion includes unresolved assumptions about the nature of gravitational waves and gravitons, as well as the limitations in current experimental capabilities to detect such phenomena.

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Things like light waves and radio waves move at a similar speed. So in stead of saying radio waves travel at the speed of light, which is true, saying "the speed of information" also makes sense, because that's basically the univeral limitation for information to travel.

However, I've heard that gravitational waves are said to move at the speed of information as well. If the sun were to disappear, we wouldn't actually fly out into the galaxy until another 8 minutes or so. If the same applies with light, and light is made up of photons, would gravity be made up of some physical thing like photons are? Photons are able to be sent out and absorbed. Gravitational waves are able to move at the same speed as light, so wouldn't it be delivering some sort of physical communication?
 
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You are describing gravitons - the theoretical particle that mediates gravity - and would reconcile GR with Quantum Mechanics.
They are the Holy Grail of particles. But so far, we have not found them.
 
DaveC426913 said:
They are the Holy Grail of particles. But so far, we have not found them.
We also don't have a chance to find them with any https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws]reasonable[/PLAIN] experiment, unless there are exotic things like small extra dimensions.
Gravitational waves: problably within the next years. Individual gravitons, even if they exist: way too weak.
 
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Fuinne said:
Gravitational waves are able to move at the same speed as light, so wouldn't it be delivering some sort of physical communication?

Yes; gravitational waves carry energy, just like light waves do. But gravitational waves are, on average, a lot weaker than light waves--more precisely, sources of strong gravitational waves are a lot rarer than sources of strong light waves. So it's much harder to detect gravitational waves than light waves.
 

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