Is hard work or natural intelligence more important for success in physics?

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The discussion centers around the relative importance of hard work versus natural intelligence in achieving success in physics. Participants explore this question in the context of personal experiences, academic challenges, and career aspirations, with a focus on both theoretical and practical implications.

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  • Some participants suggest that hard work is more crucial than innate intelligence for success in physics, emphasizing that perseverance can lead to achievement regardless of natural aptitude.
  • Others argue that a certain level of natural aptitude is necessary to progress in physics, particularly at advanced levels, and express concerns about the challenges of upper-level courses.
  • A few participants highlight the importance of passion and interest in the subject as key factors that can drive success, regardless of initial skill level.
  • Some contributions reflect on personal experiences, noting that hard work alone may not suffice if one lacks a natural inclination for the subject.
  • There are contrasting views on the role of intelligence, with some asserting that many successful physicists exhibit high intelligence from a young age, while others believe that dedication and desire can compensate for a lack of innate talent.
  • Participants also discuss the potential for success in related fields like biophysics and medical physics, suggesting that interdisciplinary approaches may be beneficial.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether hard work or natural intelligence is more important for success in physics. Multiple competing views remain, with some emphasizing the primacy of hard work and others advocating for the necessity of natural talent.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of their arguments, and there are references to personal experiences that may not generalize to all individuals. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the definitions of intelligence and success in the field of physics.

  • #31
Howers said:
GREs that are timed.

I don't understand- what does "GREs that are timed" have to do with a successfull career in academia?
 
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  • #32
I think the root of this debate is the Nature vs Nurture debate. Do you believe a person drops from the womb wired for astrophysics, or do experiences (not necessarily one-on-one tutoring from pre-school) shape a person's mind to do the same.
 
  • #33
Yep, it's obviously a mixture. I don't contend that the average person can succeed in science, but I do think that people who are majoring in science can do well simply because people have a tendency to like what they are good at. I know there are special cases here and there, but generally, I believe that's true.

I love music, but I'm not good enough at it to pursue it, I love math, and I was good enough to pursue it. I believe many people follow this type of thought.
 
  • #34
Andy Resnick said:
I don't understand- what does "GREs that are timed" have to do with a successfull career in academia?

For starters, it is what gets you through the door.
 
  • #35
Howers said:
For starters, it is what gets you through the door.

That may be. Nonetheless, you have not provided any evidence how that provides for a successful academic career. Many people get through the door, fewer people get out. There's many doors available.

All I am saying is that I don't understand your claim that IQ automatically translates into "good work". And I am asking you provide evidence (in the face of clear examples to the contrary) to substantiate your claim.

Providing evidence to support a theory is generally considered "good work" in academia.
 

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