Is It Acceptable to Ignore Arbitrary Constants in Calculus Notation?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of notation in calculus, specifically regarding the treatment of arbitrary constants in definite integrals and antiderivatives. Participants explore whether it is acceptable to ignore arbitrary constants when expressing integrals and if the designation of limits, such as \( t_0 \), implies a specific intent regarding these constants.

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  • Some participants assert that when writing \(\int^{t}_{t_{0}} f(s) ds\), it is understood to represent the difference of antiderivatives \(F(t) - F(t_0)\), where \(t_0\) can be any value, not necessarily zero.
  • Others question whether it is common practice to assume that the integral notation implies ignoring the arbitrary constant, suggesting that this may not be a universally accepted interpretation.
  • A participant points out the potential confusion in the phrase "pick \(t_0\) so that it is 0," arguing that \(t_0\) is predetermined in the integral and cannot be arbitrarily chosen.
  • Another participant references a Wikipedia article to illustrate a common use of the notation, seeking clarification on whether this notation is routinely understood to mean "take the antiderivative and disregard the arbitrary constant."
  • One participant highlights the issue of clarity in mathematical communication, suggesting that the phrasing used may lead to misunderstandings about the intent behind the notation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether it is acceptable to ignore arbitrary constants in this context. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of integral notation and the implications of designating limits.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in clarity and assumptions regarding the notation used in calculus, particularly concerning the treatment of constants and the implications of specific variable designations.

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When one writes:

[itex]\int^{t}_{t_{0}} f(s) ds[/itex]
Do they generally mean "the antiderivative of f(t), and ignore the arbitrary constant/pick t naught so that it is 0?"
 
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Antiderivative - yes, call it F(t).
The integral is F(t) - F(t0), t0 can be anything - not necessarily 0.
 
mathman said:
Antiderivative - yes, call it F(t).
The integral is F(t) - F(t0), t0 can be anything - not necessarily 0.

Of course it can be anything, but I was asking if nothing else is said, then I could assume they mean an antiderivative with no arbitrary constant.
 
1MileCrash said:
When one writes:

[itex]\int^{t}_{t_{0}} f(s) ds[/itex]



Do they generally mean "the antiderivative of f(t), and ignore the arbitrary constant/pick t naught so that it is 0?"
I'm not sure you're writing what you meant to. The above is the definite integral of f over the interval [t0, t].

If F is an antiderivative of f, then the value of the integral is F(t) - F(t0. t0 might or might not be zero, and F(t0) might or might not be zero.

If you're talking about this, however,
$$ \frac{d}{dt}\int^{t}_{t_{0}} f(s) ds$$
then that evaluates to f(t).
 
Mark44 said:
If you're talking about this, however,
$$ \frac{d}{dt}\int^{t}_{t_{0}} f(s) ds$$
then that evaluates to f(t).
Actually, I'm talking about what I wrote.

I am aware that f(t0) may be 11, 42, grahams number, or batman riding a trex. I am asking if the designation of "tee naught" is commonly taken as an obvious intent to notate an antiderivative with no arbitrary constant. I don't know a better way to ask my question.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrating_factor

Here is a very straight forward and common use of the notation. I'm asking if this is a routine and acceptable way to say "take the antiderivative and don't give me an arbitrary constant" since as far as I know, there is no other way to say that. I'm asking if I wrote that in a proof, people would know what I am talking about, but judging by the responses, the answer is no.
 
The problem is a "floating pronoun". You ask if, in [tex]\int_{x_0}^x f(t) dt[/tex], "ignore the arbitrary constant/pick t naught so that it is 0?" What does "it" refer to? If F(t) is an anti-derivative of f(t), then the integral is F(x)- F(x_0) so, at [itex]x= x_0[/itex], the value of the function is 0. But you certainly cannot "pick t naught so that it is 0?" You cannot pick [itex]t_0[/itex], it is given in the integral.
 
1MileCrash said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrating_factor

Here is a very straight forward and common use of the notation. I'm asking if this is a routine and acceptable way to say "take the antiderivative and don't give me an arbitrary constant" since as far as I know, there is no other way to say that. I'm asking if I wrote that in a proof, people would know what I am talking about, but judging by the responses, the answer is no.

Near the top in the wiki article, they have this. (I made one change, from P(s) to p(s). You'll see why in a minute.)
$$ M(x) = e^{\int_{s_0}^x p(s)ds}$$

Let's assume that P(s) is an antiderivative of p(s).

Then the exponent on e is
$$ \left. P(s)\right|_{s_0}^x = P(x) - P(s_0)$$

So M(x) = eP(x) - P(s0) = eP(x)/eP(s0)

Since P(s0) is just a constant, we can write M(x) = KeP(x), where K = 1/eP(s0).

If you have an integrating factor, then a constant multiple of it will also work, so we can ignore the K.
 

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