News Is It Fair to Hold Elections Under Foreign Occupation?

[misskitty]

Bilal, calm down! There was a reason why the first line of my post said: This is NOT ment as an attack.

I don't think a small Afgani tribe represents the entire Mulism population. Thats why I asked about the treatment of wome in the rest of the world. Its like Kat said, there are two sides to every story. I got the extremist side where women are treated poorly. I wanted the other side. So I asked. Thats all.

Thanks for taking the time to give me a better understanding of how the rest of the world treat women in Islam. That was some very insightful information you gave.

To respond to Kat's post: it is foolish to show up to a meeting about new boundary lines without a map. Why this would happen I'm not sure. It is definitely a foolish thing to do.

Bilal post concerning the Israeli Peace Bloc: how much of the population is in support of this group? I would assume it would be a good number of people in the country, but I don't know. I think its great to have such an organization willing to cooperate with the Palestinians to help them form their own country. Then their government can operate as it pleases under the control of the elections of the people Hence no more election under occupation.

Ah, if only it were that easy.

 

[kat]

I believe the most acceptable links are those belong to Israeli peace bloc... Those people are Israeli Jews who want to live in peace and working for it, so I do not think they are pro Palestinian against their country! They are Zionist Jews living in Israel, but also they are open minded people and want to compromise for peace …… they have several members in the Israeli parliament.

Gush Shalom/Israeli peace bloc
http://gush-shalom.org/english/

This is the opinion of peace bloc about what called Barak offer 2000:
http://gush-shalom.org/media/barak_eng.swf

Separation wall

http://gush-shalom.org/thewall/

Please visit their homepage and read about expansion of settlements with maps and pictures …

I prefer this site The Peace Process is Dead, Long Live the Peace Process

 

[misskitty]

I skimmend the article. Its a good site with lots of information. I think its good to have multiple sources because then we can cross reference information, hence we MIGHT get a better picture of what is going to be done to settle land disputes and end occupation.

 

[klusener]

Unfortunately some modern tribal societies are still under effect of that era. It is also exist among other religions as Hindus …

I don't know about the Hindus part and I think the Indians in this forum will attest to that, like Islam, there may be some villages where women will be treated like you say, but not the burying part though... But in most of India, basically all of India, women are treated equally, I mean there are a lot of women in the government (Sonia Gandhi, Indira, Laloo's wife, Jayalalitha etc..) I mean there are tons of women in the government and they are allowed to do whatever they want in public, recently i myself have seen an increase in the amount of women smoking and drinking in public here. Hinduism does not say that women are inferior, that's why in the ancient past, there used to be many queens who ruled large areas of land and even fought with other kingdoms ruled by men.. Whatever women can do in america or Europe, they can do here..

 

[Bilal]

Dear klusener

I think there is misunderstanding...

I do not talk about Hinduism or Indian culture, which is one of the oldest and greatest civilizations in the world. I mentioned that some tribal areas have troubles with women, whether they are Muslims or Hindus or even Buddhism...
Such tribal societies do not represent religion or culture of that country. Also I do not mean they bury girls alive as ancient Arab did (in fact no people since 1400 do that anymore). Just they treat them unequally in some social aspects.

It is the same as some Bedouin societies in Arab countries who have strict rules related to women.

In general these exceptional tribes represent less than 1% of total population, but for propaganda purposes, some media focus on them and show their tribal laws as representative for specific culture or religion.

I don't know about the Hindus part and I think the Indians in this forum will attest to that, like Islam, there may be some villages where women will be treated like you say, but not the burying part though... But in most of India, basically all of India, women are treated equally, I mean there are a lot of women in the government (Sonia Gandhi, Indira, Laloo's wife, Jayalalitha etc..) I mean there are tons of women in the government and they are allowed to do whatever they want in public, recently i myself have seen an increase in the amount of women smoking and drinking in public here. Hinduism does not say that women are inferior, that's why in the ancient past, there used to be many queens who ruled large areas of land and even fought with other kingdoms ruled by men.. Whatever women can do in america or Europe, they can do here..

 

[Bilal]

This site is supporter for the right wing in Israel.. so why you do not prefer my site which is Israeli , it is also accepted solution for both sides? Otherwise I can present hundreds of pro Palestine sites showing the opposite views of your site?

I prefer this site The Peace Process is Dead, Long Live the Peace Process

 

[misskitty]

This is true.

 

[klusener]

Dear klusener

I think there is misunderstanding...

I do not talk about Hinduism or Indian culture, which is one of the oldest and greatest civilizations in the world. I mentioned that some tribal areas have troubles with women, whether they are Muslims or Hindus or even Buddhism...
Such tribal societies do not represent religion or culture of that country. Also I do not mean they bury girls alive as ancient Arab did (in fact no people since 1400 do that anymore). Just they treat them unequally in some social aspects.

It is the same as some Bedouin societies in Arab countries who have strict rules related to women.

In general these exceptional tribes represent less than 1% of total population, but for propaganda purposes, some media focus on them and show their tribal laws as representative for specific culture or religion.

sorry, i misunderstood... But now that I do understand, I am in complete agreement with you..

 

[misskitty]

This is going to sound stupid, but why would you not want to treat women as your equal? I mean seriously, what is the driving force behind the inequality of women in Arab countries?

 

[Bilal]

Hmmmm

Did you study the history of women rights in the West?
Do you know that women in Switzerland are allowed to join election only in 1971!

Women in all third countries (not just in Arab countries) still struggle to get their rights completely... it is combination of economical-social and cultural factors.

As I said before, Muslims women in Turkey, Egypt , Syria , Malaysia , Tunisia... are completely equal with men. There are some problems in poor areas as any place in the world, especially third world countries.

This is going to sound stupid, but why would you not want to treat women as your equal? I mean seriously, what is the driving force behind the inequality of women in Arab countries?

 

[misskitty]

I haven't been able to study women's rights in the west.

 

[kat]

This site is supporter for the right wing in Israel.. so why you do not prefer my site which is Israeli , it is also accepted solution for both sides? Otherwise I can present hundreds of pro Palestine sites showing the opposite views of your site?

It certainly is not a "right wing" supporter. It is a site run by both Palestinians and Israelis. If you'd like to see some right wing sites I can also post a multitude of links. You should realize that just because a site is "Israeli" doesn't make it neutral. There are plenty of "anti-israeli" jews just as there are plenty of "anti-american" americans.

 

[misskitty]

They can still set up a website that sounds and appears "neutral", but its not because of how they word what they say. It fools people into believing they have received an unbiased opinion on the matter, when they really haven't. Read enough of those sites and you'll start to think like them and support them without even knowing it. That is sad.

 

[Rev Prez]

Bush asked Syria several times to withdraw immediately from Lebanon before the election. He believes that no honest election under foreign occupation.

Your case rests entirely on an assumption that, if held, means Bush believes the elections held under the Occupation of Japan and Germany were fraudulant.

Rev Prez