Is it normal to be a dunce in some areas of physics?

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The discussion centers around the feelings of inadequacy some physics students and professionals experience regarding their understanding of statistical mechanics and thermodynamics. Participants explore the implications of these weaknesses on their overall capabilities as physicists, particularly in relation to specialization in other areas such as gravity. The conversation touches on personal experiences with these subjects in academic settings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about their lack of understanding in statistical mechanics and thermodynamics, questioning whether this weakness hinders their abilities as a physicist.
  • Another participant, still an undergraduate, finds the question intriguing and plans to discuss it with professors, indicating a shared concern among students.
  • A participant reflects on their own struggles with thermodynamics, noting that they had to repeat the course and later teach it, highlighting the challenges in motivating the material.
  • Some participants suggest that weaknesses in certain areas can be compensated by strengths in others, particularly after passing qualifying exams.
  • There is a shared sentiment that while foundational knowledge is important, it is possible to focus on areas of strength once one specializes.
  • One participant expresses a desire to relearn statistical mechanics and thermodynamics to feel more competent, indicating ongoing uncertainty about their foundational knowledge.

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Participants generally agree that it is common to have weaknesses in certain areas of physics, especially when specializing. However, there is no consensus on the extent to which these weaknesses impact overall capabilities, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of proficiency in all foundational areas.

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Some participants mention specific challenges related to teaching and understanding complex topics, such as the mathematical aspects of thermodynamics, which may indicate limitations in pedagogical approaches or personal comprehension. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and feelings about foundational knowledge in physics.

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Maybe "dunce" is the wrong word, but I'm pretty weak on stat mech/thermo. I've had a few courses in them but not to the point where I can understand anything but the most rudimentary basics (each time I took a course in them I happened to have been distracted with other things). I'm a thirdish year grad student specializing in gravity, and so far I'm learning GR pretty well. So how big of a concern should this be? Does it hinder my abilities as a physicist? Aren't thermo and stat mech such big, important subjects that you need to be well-versed in them to do any area of physics?

Or is it normal for people with PhDs, like professors and postdocs, to be very weak in a big area of physics like this once they've gotten to the point where they start specializing? Thanks.
 
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I'm not where you are yet, I'm still an undergrad, I myself haven't had issues (yet) but that is a very interesting question I am going to have to ask my professors this...
 
TomServo said:
Maybe "dunce" is the wrong word, but I'm pretty weak on stat mech/thermo. I've had a few courses in them but not to the point where I can understand anything but the most rudimentary basics (each time I took a course in them I happened to have been distracted with other things). I'm a thirdish year grad student specializing in gravity, and so far I'm learning GR pretty well. So how big of a concern should this be? Does it hinder my abilities as a physicist? Aren't thermo and stat mech such big, important subjects that you need to be well-versed in them to do any area of physics?

Or is it normal for people with PhDs, like professors and postdocs, to be very weak in a big area of physics like this once they've gotten to the point where they start specializing? Thanks.

I'm a dunce in a few important areas, including stat mech, thermo, tensor analysis, and GR.

Weaknesses in some areas can be offset by strengths in others.

Once you get past the PGRE and the PhD Qualifying Exams (often called General Exams), you can focus on the things you are good at.

But you need to be strong enough even in your weak areas to get past those.
 
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Thermo was the one course that I had to repeat in grad school. Then I had to teach an undergraduate course in it for many years. I found it hard to motivate all those partial-derivative gymnastics to my students, and even to myself sometimes. o0)
 
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Thermo was the one course that I had to repeat in grad school. Then I had to teach an undergraduate course in it for many years. I found it hard to motivate all those partial-derivative gymnastics to my students, and even to myself sometimes. o0)
As an aside, John Baez has an interesting pair of articles on his Azimuth blog about the Maxwell relations:
https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/classical-mechanics-versus-thermodynamics-part-1/
https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/classical-mechanics-versus-thermodynamics-part-2/
 
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I'm a dunce in a few important areas, including stat mech, thermo, tensor analysis, and GR.

Weaknesses in some areas can be offset by strengths in others.

Once you get past the PGRE and the PhD Qualifying Exams (often called General Exams), you can focus on the things you are good at.

But you need to be strong enough even in your weak areas to get past those.

I did pass all my qualifying exams, on the first try. :oldbiggrin: But I wish I had time to relearn stat mech/thermo to feel competent in this foundational area.
 

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