Is it possible to calculate 100,000 MT nuclear blast radius?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the blast radius for a 100,000 MT nuclear explosion, focusing on the complexities involved in defining and estimating this value under specific conditions, such as an explosion occurring at sea level on a flat desert plane.

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  • Some participants question whether the blast radius is a constant value as yield increases, suggesting it is not.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of "blast radius," with various interpretations including radius based on overpressure, temperature, or destruction level.
  • One participant mentions using an asteroid impact calculator to estimate plausible values for a 100,000 MT explosion.
  • Another participant provides scaling estimates for the area affected by nuclear blasts of different yields, suggesting a potential radius of 2800 km for a 100,000 MT explosion based on their calculations.
  • There are references to tools that simulate nuclear explosions, indicating that the area of destruction increases significantly with yield, but the specifics of the calculations are debated.
  • One participant proposes that for very high yields, the behavior of the fireball and overpressure may differ from smaller explosions due to atmospheric effects.

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Participants express multiple competing views on how to define and calculate the blast radius, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the methods or values presented.

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Participants highlight limitations in their calculations, including assumptions about the explosion height and the uniformity of the environment, as well as the dependence on specific definitions of blast radius.

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Really, what I'm wondering is if the blast radius is a constant given an increase in output. I assume it is not. So I'm really at a loss as to how to calculate such a massive value.

The scenario is the explosion occurs at sea level on a flat desert plane.

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What do you define as "blast radius"?
Radius of some specific overpressure?
Radius of some specific temperature?
Radius of some specific destruction?
In addition, all three will depend on the height of the explosion.
 
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mfb said:
What do you define as "blast radius"?
Radius of some specific overpressure?
Radius of some specific temperature?
Radius of some specific destruction?
In addition, all three will depend on the height of the explosion.

I'm thinking of the radius within which there is "total destruction" of any objects that are not very heavily reinforced.
 
http://www.nucleardarkness.org/nuclear/nuclearexplosionsimulator/
Does not allow to detonate nukes above 2 MT, but I did some scaling guesswork:

"Certain Mass Fires" radius:
2 MT: 821 km^2
1 MT: 417 km^2
0,2 MT: 88 km^2
0,02 MT: 10 km^2
0,002 MT: 1,3 km^2

Looks like a factor of ~9 for the area for a factor of 10 in weapon yield. If that does not change, I would expect an area of 25*10^6 km^2 or a radius of 2800 km for an explosion of 10^5 MT. However, this would need a nearly flat explosion, which is a bit unrealistic for such a high yield. Multiple bombs at different places could give that effect, of course.Another tool, here for the shock wave:
5 psi overpressure: "Complete destruction of ordinary houses, and moderate to severe damage to reinforced concrete structures, will occur within this ring." (does not take heat into account)

100MT: 20.99 km radius
20MT: 12.28 km
2MT: 5.7 km (102km^2)
0,2MT: 2.64 km
0,02MT: 1.23 km
That corresponds to a factor of 2.15 in radius or 4.64 in area for a factor of 10 in yield. As ##10^{1/3}=2.154## and the shock wave is spherical, that looks reasonable.
Scaled to 10^5 MT:
100MT: 208 km radiusA third tool shows effects of the shock wave and heat at the same time, and indicates that indeed the burned area expands quicker with weapon yield than the shockwave. And it shows the difference between an explosion on ground and in the air.
 
I expect that for bombs over a few tens of MT, the overpressure would grow less than in case of a smaller explosion - these have nearly spherical fireballs in nearly uniform air environment.

But when fireball expands past a few km and approaches atmospheric scale height, the upper part of the fireball will be ploughing up less dense air - it will travel faster and expand to lower pressure. And decreasing pressure at the top will release the pressure from the bottom and sides of fireball and slow down their propagation.
 

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