Discussion Overview
The discussion centers on the possibility of deriving "action principle #2," which relates to general relativity (GR), from quantum mechanics (QM) through the Feynman path integral (FPI) approach. Participants explore the connections between Hamilton's principle of least action, Newtonian mechanics, and the action principles associated with GR, examining the implications of these relationships within theoretical physics.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- Some participants assert that Hamilton's principle of least action can be derived from the Feynman path integral technique, suggesting a pathway from QM to Newtonian mechanics.
- Others propose that Einstein's equations of general relativity can similarly be derived from an action principle, referred to as "action principle #2," which involves a four-dimensional volume integral of a Lagrangian density.
- One participant argues that the Feynman path integral itself does not serve as a derivation of the principle of least action but rather as a tool in quantum field theory, emphasizing the historical context of its development.
- Another participant contends that the classical limit of the Feynman path integral leads to the action principle, regardless of the historical development of these concepts.
- There is a discussion about the equivalence of one-dimensional and four-dimensional integrals in the context of action, with some participants questioning how these integrals relate to each other conceptually.
- One participant expresses uncertainty about whether it is possible to derive "action principle #2" from QM, noting that they have not encountered claims supporting this possibility.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants do not reach a consensus on whether "action principle #2" can be derived from QM. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the relationships between the principles of action and their derivations from quantum mechanics and classical mechanics.
Contextual Notes
Some participants highlight the complexity of transitioning from Lagrangian to Lagrangian density, indicating that the variation of a four-dimensional volume may involve more intricate considerations than varying a one-dimensional path.