Is it possible to reproduce BBN in the lab?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of reproducing Big Bang nucleosynthesis (BBN) in laboratory settings, particularly through high-energy collider experiments. Participants explore the conditions necessary for BBN and the implications of producing quark-gluon plasmas in accelerators.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether accelerators can achieve the necessary conditions for BBN, considering the high energies involved in producing quark-gluon plasmas.
  • Others assert that BBN is defined to occur only during the Big Bang, but acknowledge that anti-nuclei can form in collider experiments, which may provide insights into nucleosynthesis.
  • One participant suggests that while the energies in accelerators might be sufficient, the lack of thermodynamic equilibrium in these experiments means the same processes as in BBN cannot be replicated.
  • Another participant highlights the differences in interaction rates and expansion rates between collider experiments and the conditions present during BBN, suggesting that these differences prevent thermal equilibrium from being achieved in the lab.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of reproducing BBN in the lab, with no consensus reached on whether the conditions necessary for BBN can be adequately simulated in high-energy collisions.

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Limitations in the discussion include the dependence on definitions of BBN, the specific conditions required for thermodynamic equilibrium, and the unresolved nature of interaction rates compared to expansion rates in different scenarios.

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Do accelerators collide at energies high enough to reproduce the big bang nucleosynthesis, if they are producing quark-gluon plasmas shouldn't it be possible, or is the time too small for such a thing to happen?
 
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Well, you can only have BBN during the Big Bang - by definition. However, one can see anti-nuclei form in collider experiments. You need anti-nuclei, because you can't tell if a nucleus was produced in the collision or was knocked off the detector. I think the biggest nuclei seen so far are tritons and He-3, although it's possible there is an anti-alpha result that I haven't heard of.
 
Interesting question. I think the energies are plenty high enough, but I don't think you get anything like thermodynamic equilibrium in an accelerator question, so you don't reproduce the same processes.
 
There are similarities, and there are nuclei produced in heavy ion collisions from the recombination of nucleons, but the processes are still quite different. I think one way to
look at this is to think about interaction rates (number of interactions per second per
particle) compared to the expansion rate. If the expansion rate is higher than the
typical interaction rates there is just no way for thermal equilibrium to be true.
These rate ratios are quite different for the two cases.
 

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