Is It Too Late to Learn General Relativity at 50?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the journey of a participant, j matt, who is seeking to learn general relativity at the age of 50. The conversation includes reflections on educational resources, personal experiences with physics, and the challenges of understanding complex mathematical concepts related to general relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • jmatt expresses a desire to learn general relativity and has been studying tensor calculus for about a year.
  • Some participants suggest that the book "Gravitation" by Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler may be overly complex and tedious for learners.
  • Others recommend Sean Carroll's book as a more accessible alternative for understanding general relativity.
  • jmatt mentions using "A First Course in General Relativity" by Bernard Schutz and "The Road to Reality" by Roger Penrose, in addition to ordering Carroll's book.
  • There is a light-hearted exchange about favorite fish and welcoming traditions within the forum community.
  • jmatt appreciates the tactile experience of physical books compared to eBooks, emphasizing the joy of well-made printed materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the value of different educational resources for learning general relativity, but there is no consensus on which book is the best choice, as opinions vary regarding the effectiveness of Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler's presentation compared to Carroll's.

Contextual Notes

Participants express personal preferences and experiences with various texts, but the discussion does not resolve which resources are definitively superior for learning general relativity.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in learning general relativity, particularly those returning to physics later in life, as well as those seeking recommendations for educational resources in theoretical physics.

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Hello everyone,

I graduated with a bachelor's degree in physics from Rutgers College in 1981. I have had a great career in database design and have kept up with developments in physics mostly through authors like Stephen Hawkins and Brian Green. I have never lost my passion for physics.

As I approached 50 I decided to climb my intellectual Mt. Everest (no way I was going to climb the real thing!) and learn the mathematics required to really understand general relativity. I have been slogging through tensor calculus for about a year now and a lot of lights have turned on for me.

I am looking forward to searching these forums and asking some questions and sharing the excitement!

jmatt
 
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Hi jmatt, welcome to PF!

And good luck climbing Everest. The view is great, but the trek can leave you dizzy :smile:
 
That's Stephen Hawking. *cringe*

Anyway, if "slogging" is how you describe it, then I can make a good guess what book you've been using...

If my guess is correct, you are probably using Misner, Thorne and Wheeler. I have to say, this book is the most tedious presentation of GR and differential geometry I have ever seen. They make all the math sound much more confusing than it really is.

A book I would highly recommend is Sean Carroll's. It will be more like taking the ski lift, comparatively. :)
 
Ben Niehoff said:
A book I would highly recommend is Sean Carroll's. It will be more like taking the ski lift, comparatively. :)

I second Space time and Geometry. That book is a godsend. It manages to remove that intimidating aura around Wald's book to boot.
 
Thanks for your advice and your welcome!

I clearly remember the physics library at Rutgers had the Misner, Thorne and Wheeler book back in 1980 when I was an undergrad. I thought it was the coolest thing I ever saw!

Actually I have “A First Course in General Relativity” by Bernard Schutz and lot’s web resources. Also reading “The Road to Reality” by Roger Penrose

I just ordered the Carrol book. Not cheap but I feel like I need at fresh Sherpa!
 
What's your favorite fish, jmatt?
 
hagfish because it’s so wonderfully disgusting
 
*slaps jmatt with a disgusting hagfish*

http://files.myopera.com/Chyren/files/fishSlap1a.gif

Anyway, good luck on your journey and I hope you'll learn a lot here!
 
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jmatt said:
hagfish because it’s so wonderfully disgusting

I hope micromass didn't slap you too hard for your initiation.

Welcome to Physics Forums.
 
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Welcome jmatt! I hope you enjoy your stay.
 
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Hey, I just got hit with fish slime... eww... welcome jmat, phtooey, phtooey...
Your first duty is to post on your favorite pastime, hopefully it is fishing...

Rhody... :-p
 
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wow i never knew getting hit by a hagfish could be so ... welcoming.

thanks everyone!

favorite pastime? French red wine and flailing on the electric guitar.
 
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The Carrol book arrived a couple of weeks ago and I have just now dived in. Wow, wonderful writing at exactly the level i craved. Thanks for the recommendations!

As an aside, I wanted to say what a joy a well made, written and illustrated physical book is. I am not a Luddite, eBooks are useful and fill a need but the physical feel of a beautiful book will never be obsolete (I hope)!
 

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