Is Love Truly Transient and Subjective?

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The discussion explores the nature of love, questioning whether it is transient, subjective, and influenced by personal perceptions of value. Participants delve into the distinctions between love, desire, and self-interest, examining how these concepts interact and conflict within human relationships.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that love can be both for one person and not for another, suggesting that love may be transient and influenced by personal desires and perceptions.
  • Others argue that love is fundamentally tied to the appreciation of value, and that one must understand this value to truly love or be worthy of love.
  • There is a contention that love cannot coexist with prejudice or self-centeredness, as these are seen as distortions of true love.
  • Some participants suggest that what is often called love may actually be preference or a response to personal needs rather than genuine love.
  • A later reply questions whether love can be inflicted on others, emphasizing that love must be recognized as valuable to be meaningful.
  • Another viewpoint is that love exists in various forms, all rooted in emotional responses to valued entities, and that understanding these forms is crucial to grasping love's nature.
  • One participant introduces a definition of love as a subjective emotion arising from the evaluation of an object as a positive value, proposing two fundamental types of love: internal self-love and external love.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of love, with no clear consensus reached. Disagreements persist regarding the definitions and implications of love, as well as its relationship to value and self-interest.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments hinge on the definitions of love and value, and the discussion reflects various assumptions about emotional responses and interpersonal dynamics that remain unresolved.

  • #31
Those who believe pleasure can be obtained by inflicting pain should stick to the practice of inflicting pain upon themselves. I encourage those who believe they can help by hurting to help themselves to all the hurt they can lavish upon themselves.
It is not that you are; it is what you are that counts. It is not because love exists; it is why and how it exists that defines it quality.
Only after understanding the meaning and value of love do we find reason to do what we must to be worthy of love. The value of love that we seek is determined by how well we understand it and is limited only by how well we achieve that understanding. Love cannot be borrowed or stolen; love is made. You can not give what you do not possess. The potential to have something must be realized by getting it. Value can not be taken from the unwilling, value is earned and once earned, deserved. Love is both the reason and the reward for becoming the best that we can be.
 
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Dmstifik8ion said:
Love cannot be borrowed or stolen; love is made. You can not give what you do not possess.

if Love is not for the Whole, is it not a prejudice for some part? (very simple question, needing very simple answer.)

can Love be prejudice? Exclusion? increasing separation?

or, is love uniting? is it inclusive? accepting?

i think that is it obvious that the former are qualities of Ignorance, while the latter are qualities of Love. (Love does not say, "you are not worthy of respect and care.". rather, it acknowledges, "yes, you are worthy and cared for.") this is plain and simple.

finally, can one claim to have/be Love, at all, if their "love" is, at the same time as "loving", shunning and seperative? isn't that one disrespecting and not caring for. Love is not this way.

all action and desire is two-fold. EXCEPT for Love. Love is always, only what Love is. It is never, at the same time, hatred or prejudice. do you make sense of this?

i know that the concept is very high and one can not easily ascend to such heights, but it must be evaluated.

to "love" one thing/person and not another is really to avoid/ exclude some other thing. Love is not a business. it is not a system of gain and loss. it is always full, no matter how much is taken from it. see?

you don't. it's not a matter of knowing, but of seeing. don't try to "out-know". this matter is concluded. those who can see, have seen. those who are stubborn are pleased to remain ignorant.

this is not a competition. competition is immaturity. Love is maturity.
 

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