Is math really that important to do physics?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between mathematics and physics, exploring the balance between mathematical rigor and intuitive understanding. Participants express differing views on the necessity of advanced mathematics for grasping physical concepts. Some argue that while basic math can provide insight, deeper mathematical knowledge is essential for accurately predicting phenomena and solving complex problems. The conversation highlights the importance of math as a language in physics, enabling effective communication of ideas and theories. However, there is also recognition that excessive focus on math can lead to missing key physical insights. The dialogue touches on personal experiences in education and career paths, with some expressing frustration over their perceived lack of progress in understanding physics despite extensive mathematical study. The consensus suggests that while math is crucial, it should not overshadow the fundamental physical concepts that underpin the discipline.
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Avaro667 said:
Obviously you are right . It's just that nobody wants to leave his/her country that easy . But i won't argue that it's far better to better light a candle than curse the darkness . Greece is fine only for vacations as it seems . That's a bummer , but that's how things are.
You cannot compare a relatively small population with relatively large populations and therewith economies and expect the same variety of chances. This is simply not fair. You should regard the entire EU as your home if you insist on such a comparison. This way it makes sense. For example, there are five flights to Athens tomorrow alone from "my" German airport. No big deal these days.

However, Greece will be facing enormous challenges within the next decades. If you want to contribute to that, then work on the prediction of and measures against drought, wildfires, and floods. We would all greatly appreciate any improvement in these areas, no matter how small.
 
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StatGuy2000 said:
The "m-word"? What word are you referring to? :oldconfused: PM me for more details.
Yeah, that one was over my head too.
 
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gmax137 said:
Yeah, that one was over my head too.
It's a Greek version of a common slur. The English word would begin with a "w". We delete the f-word, and since I know the m-word, it's forbidden, too.
 
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fresh_42 said:
It's a Greek version of a common slur. The English word would begin with a "w". We delete the f-word, and since I know the m-word, it's forbidden, too.
. . . so, what's the "w" word ?
 
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hmmm27 said:
. . . so, what's the "w" word ?
Forbidden.
 
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gmax137 said:
In the US, I'd say this is seldom heard but pretty mild. I always thought it was a British term.
Every country has different standards. You can translate the words, but neither the meaning nor the severity.
 
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fresh_42 said:
You cannot compare a relatively small population with relatively large populations and therewith economies and expect the same variety of chances. This is simply not fair. You should regard the entire EU as your home if you insist on such a comparison. This way it makes sense. For example, there are five flights to Athens tomorrow alone from "my" German airport. No big deal these days.
Well you have a strong point there . Chinese and Indian people are a very big fraction of the total world's population . So different kind of statistics might be the same as for many countries , but numbers do vary . I believe overall EU is doing very good tbh compared to Asia and America . There is a better work/life balance and more respect to people's rights and freedom .
fresh_42 said:
However, Greece will be facing enormous challenges within the next decades. If you want to contribute to that, then work on the prediction of and measures against drought, wildfires, and floods. We would all greatly appreciate any improvement in these areas, no matter how small.
I'm not sure if it's possible to even predict such extreme phenomena . And even if you could , if the goverment doesn't care , it won't make a difference . It could definitely save lifes though . I like remote sensing very much btw but i would prefer to focus on the physical side of things ( design an antenna for example rather than doing - DSP . Without saying i would mind too much if i had to ) .
 
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Avaro667 said:
Although i'm wondering why you say Chinese people would need to leave their country . Their academic level and manufacturing industry is top notch .
Because there is more to life than quality of universities and industries. Any further discussion would segue into politics, which would be verboten. Suffice it to say, I served as an industry mentor to about 6 Chinese students studying in the US. All of them desired to stay in the US to work after they graduated.
 
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CrysPhys said:
Because there is more to life than quality of universities and industries. Any further discussion would segue into politics, which would be verboten. Suffice it to say, I served as an industry mentor to about 6 Chinese students studying in the US. All of them desired to stay in the US to work after they graduated.
I had a Chinese fellow student and she wanted to stay in Germany, too.
 
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fresh_42 said:
So your "step" would be smaller than you think. It is EU territory. And it is roughly a 2-hour flight. Not that far away. And let me put it this way: One of my standard orders for takeaway food is Bifteki and Saganaki. My sister traveled from the US to Patras only to attend the funeral of a former neighbor. This means you won't be the first from your country who came to Germany. That's what can be said in general. Details are usually a bit more complicated.

And it also means that you cannot use the m-word here (on PF) without getting into trouble. :cool:
Why are Bifteki and Saganaki OK to mention, but not Moussaka? :oldbiggrin:
 
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