Is mathematics only used with quantitative data?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the application of mathematics beyond quantitative data, particularly focusing on branches like mathematical logic, geometry, and topology. Participants examine whether mathematics is fundamentally tied to numbers or if it can be applied in non-numerical contexts, including theoretical and abstract frameworks.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that mathematics can be applied without direct involvement of numbers, citing branches like mathematical logic.
  • Others argue that fields such as geometry and topology, while not primarily numerical, have significant applications in physics.
  • One participant notes that basic mathematical concepts, like colored patterns and shapes, can have practical applications, such as interpreting color-coded resistances in physics.
  • Another viewpoint expresses that in higher mathematics, there is often less emphasis on numbers, with a focus on functions and symbols instead.
  • It is proposed that the perception of mathematics as primarily about numbers is a fundamental misunderstanding, as many mathematical theories operate on abstractions rather than numerical computations.
  • Some participants clarify that while computations may involve numbers, theoretical discussions in certain fields often do not directly engage with numerical values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between mathematics and numbers, with some emphasizing non-numerical applications and others highlighting the importance of numerical computations in specific fields. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which mathematics is tied to quantitative data.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in definitions of "dealing with numbers" and the scope of different mathematical fields are noted, as well as the potential ambiguity in the application of mathematical concepts across disciplines.

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Can mathematics only be applied when there are numbers involved? I know there are mathematics branches like mathematical logic that doesn't deal with numbers, but do those areas have applications outside of mathematics?
 
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Tosh5457 said:
Can mathematics only be applied when there are numbers involved? I know there are mathematics branches like mathematical logic that doesn't deal with numbers, but do those areas have applications outside of mathematics?


It depends on what you mean. There are many fields which do not work with numbers directly, like geometry and topology. And these fields have important application in physics.
 
The colored patterns using shapes is a basic math topic, but it applies to physics to read color coded resistances.
 
It seems to me that in "higher" math, the higher the math is, the less you deal with numbers. Even in areas such as differential equations, where the objects you're dealing with are defined in a way that makes reference to numbers, you may almost never deal with them (not counting an occasional e or 2pi). Instead you talk about functions and work with symbols.

I think it's a fundamental mistake to think that math is primarily about numbers.
 
^ It depends on the field and what you mean by "dealing with numbers." If you mean computations, then sure. If you mean literally "seeing" numbers, you'll be getting quite used to them in particular applied math fields (numerical analysis, analysis, PDEs, ODEs, etc.). You usually don't deal with numbers until you actually get down to the computations. In the theory of these fields, it's still mostly abstractions (elements, sets, mappings, etc.).

But in other fields as mentioned, you almost never use numbers to deal with anything. Rather you're almost never working in the set of reals again. You simply work with mappings and properties of new definitions, seeing what comes from it (geometry/topology, algebras, logic, etc.).
 

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