Is matrix hermitian and its eigenvectors orthogonal?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a specific matrix, ##\Omega##, particularly whether it is Hermitian and whether its eigenvectors are orthogonal. Participants explore calculations related to eigenvalues and eigenvectors, as well as the implications of these properties in the context of linear algebra.

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  • One participant calculates that the matrix ##\Omega## is not Hermitian because ##\Omega \ne \Omega^{\dagger}## and concludes that the eigenvectors are not orthogonal based on the condition ##\Omega\Omega^{T} \ne I##.
  • Another participant presents a counterexample with a diagonal matrix, stating that it does not satisfy ##M M^\dagger = I##, yet its eigenvectors are orthogonal.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the calculation of eigenvectors for the eigenvalues ##\lambda=1, 2, 4##, particularly regarding the implications of the equations derived from the eigenvalue problem.
  • One participant suggests that the process of finding eigenvalues should begin with solving ##det(M - \lambda I) = 0##, indicating that the participant may be skipping steps in their calculations.
  • Another participant confirms that for ##\lambda = 1##, any vector with ##v_2 = v_3 = 0## and ##v_1 \in \mathbb{C}## is an eigenvector, advising to check the solutions against the eigenvalues.
  • Further clarification is provided that ##v_1## can be any value, emphasizing that multiples of an eigenvector are also valid eigenvectors for the same eigenvalue.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of the matrix properties, as there are competing views regarding the orthogonality of eigenvectors and the conditions under which they hold. The discussion remains unresolved on these points.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the calculations of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, indicating potential gaps in understanding linear algebra concepts. There are also unresolved steps in the mathematical processes discussed.

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I calculate

1) ##\Omega=
\begin{bmatrix}
1 & 3 &1 \\
0 & 2 &0 \\
0& 1 & 4
\end{bmatrix}## as not Hermtian since ##\Omega\ne\Omega^{\dagger}## where##\Omega^{\dagger}=(\Omega^T)^*##

2) ##\Omega\Omega^{T}\ne I## implies eigenvectors are not orthogonal.

Is this correct?
 
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The matrix ##M = \begin{bmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 2 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 3 \end{bmatrix}## does not satisfy ##M M^\dagger = I##, but its eigenvectors are orthogonal.
 
Ok then my 2)assumption is not correct thus I proceeded to calculate the eigenvectors for the following eigenvalues ##\lambda=1,2,4## and then check for orthogonality

##\lambda=1##

##\begin{bmatrix}1& 3 & 1\\ 0& 2&0 \\ 0& 1 &4 \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x_1\\ x_2\\ x_3\end{bmatrix}=\lambda \begin{bmatrix}x_1\\ x_2\\ x_3\end{bmatrix}##

In component form I get

##(1-1)x_1+3x_2+x_3=0##
##0+(2-1)x_2+0=0##
##0+x_2+(4-1)x_3=0##
I am confused here for 2 reasons

1) How to deal with ##(1-1)x_1##
2) the 2nd line suggest ##x_2=0## but on the 3rd line ##x_2=-3x_3##

Not sure how to proceed from here...
Any help will be appreciated.
 
I'm not sure why ##x_1##, ##x_2##, and ##x_3## are coming into the process. To compute eigenvalues you solve for ##\lambda## by expanding ##det(M - \lambda I) = 0## then finding roots. You seem to be skipping ahead to the part where you know a specific lambda and want to find the associated vector.

The khan academy video on eigenvectors might help.
 
Thanks for the video, very useful

I have expanded ##det(\Omega - \lambda I) = 0## to get

##\begin{bmatrix}1-\lambda& 3 & 1\\ 0& 2-\lambda&0 \\ 0& 1 &4-\lambda \end{bmatrix}##

For ##\lambda=4## say we get the following

##\begin{bmatrix}1-4& 3 & 1\\ 0& 2-4&0 \\ 0& 1 &4-4 \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}v_1\\ v_2\\ v_3\end{bmatrix}=0##

##-3v_1+3v_2+v_3=0##
##-2v_2=0##
##v_2=0##
If we let ##v_1=1## then ##v_3=3##. Our eigenvector for ##\lambda=4## is (1,0,3)

For ##\lambda=1## I have difficulty because

##\begin{bmatrix}1-1& 3 & 1\\ 0& 2-1&0 \\ 0& 1 &4-1 \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}v_1\\ v_2\\ v_3\end{bmatrix}=0##

##3v_2+v_3=0##
##v_2=0##
##v_2+3v_3=0## but I cannot determine what ##v_1## is...?
 
You can check that for ##\lambda = 1## every vector with ##v_2=v_3=0## and ##v_1\in \mathbb{C}## is an eigenvector.
Do that.

I would advise brushing up on solving systems of linear equations. Because that's where your main issue seems to be located.
If you have a solution, always check that the vectors you found actually give the correct eigenvalues.
 
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bugatti79 said:
Thanks for the video, very useful

I have expanded ##det(\Omega - \lambda I) = 0## to get

##\begin{bmatrix}1-\lambda& 3 & 1\\ 0& 2-\lambda&0 \\ 0& 1 &4-\lambda \end{bmatrix}##

For ##\lambda=4## say we get the following

##\begin{bmatrix}1-4& 3 & 1\\ 0& 2-4&0 \\ 0& 1 &4-4 \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}v_1\\ v_2\\ v_3\end{bmatrix}=0##

##-3v_1+3v_2+v_3=0##
##-2v_2=0##
##v_2=0##
If we let ##v_1=1## then ##v_3=3##. Our eigenvector for ##\lambda=4## is (1,0,3)

For ##\lambda=1## I have difficulty because

##\begin{bmatrix}1-1& 3 & 1\\ 0& 2-1&0 \\ 0& 1 &4-1 \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}v_1\\ v_2\\ v_3\end{bmatrix}=0##

##3v_2+v_3=0##
##v_2=0##
##v_2+3v_3=0## but I cannot determine what ##v_1## is...?

##v_1## can be anything. You can choose it to be 1, for example. Remember that any multiple of an eigenvector is also an eigenvector with the same eigenvalue.
 
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OK guys, thank you.
I can see how that holds for ##\lambda=1##.

Onto my next problem :-)
 

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