Hello all, this isn't meant to be a scientific post, just a conversation. I was wondering what people think, in their opinion. As a former premed I run across a huge amount of medical students and hopefuls who looked down on other professions including STEM Ph.Ds (yes, I didn't make that up) Of course, exceptions abound and I've come across some very sweet, selfless and humble people but there is a tendency in that community to overall consider themselves above all other degrees. For example, on premed and med student forums a favorite pastime is to attack the intelligence of nurses, EMTs and other healthcare professionals. I've tried unsuccessfully to point out that a medical education takes 10 to 16+ years (depending on specialty and sub-specialty) but a registered nurse education takes only two, so the choice isn't comparable in terms of time and money spent getting the degree. It's not just a matter of the nursing curriculum being easier, it's that for someone who needs to enter the workforce quickly (say they have dependents, whether kids or parents) it's often the best (and smartest!) option. There's also that it's not possible to hold a job while at med school and for someone who does not have someone to support them, it's much more feasible to take nursing classes at their own pace with the option of eventually getting a Master's (which pays pretty damn well at just over 100k for nurse practitioners). It always made me sad when I saw all that meanness directed at other healthcare personnel. But what takes the cake for me are the claims that pretty much every other doctoral degree is inferior and no match intellectually. I have seen some of these folks posit that Ph.D Biochemists, Geneticists and Biomedical Engineers were not as smart as them or else they would have "gone to medical school." I have even seen some claim that Engineers and Physicists are not in their league but I'm not sure whether this was serious or they were joking (I hope the latter!). I've tried to reason with them about that too, arguing that some people (especially biochemists and other biology Ph.Ds) may not want medicine. They don't want contact with bodily fluids, they don't want to deal with patients, they don't want to deal with disease and death on a personal level, preferring to work toward cures and develop treatments on a larger scale. Granted, I've considered medicine until recently and was accepted at a school that was so ridiculously expensive my family and I decided I would choose engineering instead (where I live these are all undergrad like the MBBS in Australia). But even if I ended up accepting the spot at the med school, this would still be my opinion. I would just try to associate with people that feel the most genuine which I'm not saying they don't exist in medicine, they do. And of course, never at any point during my interest in medical school did I ever consider my potential profession to be intellectually superior to most STEM professions, that's just very odd to me. I'm actually a bit worried about Engineering school (whether I'll be able to cut it) which did not occur to me in relation to Medical school. Medical school involves lots of memorization of disease patterns and presentations. Engineering IMO is a little bit more intimidating on an intellectual level. I'm not saying that a physician's intellect isn't important (we all want a doctor with superior intellect to take care of us!) I'm just saying that the curriculum itself is just not intimidating to someone of normal to high intelligence, whereas something like physics can be. Thoughts?