Is My Acid Equilibrium Final Review Correct?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a review package for a final exam in acid-base chemistry, specifically addressing potential errors in the problem statement and the interpretation of thermodynamic quantities such as ΔG° and equilibrium concepts. Participants seek clarification on the correct application of these concepts in the context of the provided problems.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a potential typo in the problem statement, questioning the switch from HA to HB.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the sign of ΔG°, suggesting it should be positive for the forward reaction.
  • A participant agrees that the HA to HB switch is likely a typo, supporting this with reasoning based on the work shown.
  • One participant proposes using the dissociation constant Ka and the relationship -RTln(Q) = ΔG°, indicating a need to reverse the sign for the reverse process, leading to a negative ΔG result.
  • Another participant argues that the use of double-headed arrows in the teacher's notation implies an equilibrium state, suggesting that ΔG should be zero, while also noting the distinction with ΔG standard.
  • There is a correction made regarding the interpretation of ΔG and ΔG standard, with some participants asserting that ΔG should be zero in the context of equilibrium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct interpretation of ΔG and ΔG standard, with some asserting that ΔG should be zero while others maintain that ΔG standard is the relevant quantity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct sign and interpretation of these thermodynamic quantities.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the problem statement and the definitions of ΔG and ΔG standard. The context of equilibrium and the specific conditions under which these quantities are evaluated are not fully clarified.

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Hello Forum!
I have this review package for my final full of weird mistakes. Problem is that it is hard for me to know if the solutions are right or not:
Could you please look at this problem I attached?

They bizarrely switch from HA to HB. Is that just a typo?

Then, the sign of DG° seems to be wrong! We are looking at the forward reaction, ie it is positive!

I have my final very soon. Any help is appreciated!
 

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Where is HA? I do not see it in your attached picture.
 
I attached two pictures, one is really tiny. Sorry about that.
 
The HA is a typo. The work backs it up. Your teacher means HB.
 
Also what do you think the sign on delta G standard should be and why?
 
yolo123 said:
Hello Forum!
I have this review package for my final full of weird mistakes. Problem is that it is hard for me to know if the solutions are right or not:
Could you please look at this problem I attached?

They bizarrely switch from HA to HB. Is that just a typo?

Then, the sign of DG° seems to be wrong! We are looking at the forward reaction, ie it is positive!

I have my final very soon. Any help is appreciated!
It looks like a typo in the problem statement.

Chet
 
Hmm.. I may have been mistaken. Tell me if I make sense:
So we use Ka (dissociation of HA). Plug that into -RTln(Q)=DG°.
Now, I must reverse the sign because I'm looking at the REVERSE process.
In the end, I get a negative result, which confirms my teacher's answer!
 
I would say that because your teacher uses double headed arrows, he's referring to an equilibrium, and therefore delta G should be 0. But this isn't relevant because your teacher refers to delta G standard.
 
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Qube said:
I would say that because your teacher uses double headed arrows, he's referring to an equilibrium, and therefore delta G standard should be 0.
This is not correct. ΔG should be zero, not ΔG standard.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
This is not correct. ΔG should be zero, not ΔG standard.

Chet

Good point! I'll fix it.
 
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So, was my final response right6?
 

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