Is my plan for education reasonable?

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The discussion centers on a proposed educational plan that includes dual degrees in Physics and Mathematics, followed by a Master's in Physics and either an MBA or a Math Master's, culminating in a PhD in Physics. Participants emphasize the importance of a more detailed plan, suggesting that a dual degree may not be necessary and that a single Honours major with a minor could suffice for graduate school preparation. They also note that pursuing an MBA typically requires work experience, making it less relevant for immediate post-graduate studies. Additionally, it is highlighted that many US PhD programs accept students directly from undergraduate studies, negating the need for a Master's degree beforehand. Overall, the advice encourages a more streamlined and realistic approach to achieving educational goals.
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I have a plan for my education post highschool;

BSc. Hons Physics + BSc. Hons Mathematics (UofT, UBC, Waterloo, Queens, McMaster, any other top school in Canada)
Masters Physics + Either MBA or Math Masters (Double degree of course, at a top american or international school)
PhD Physics (top school)

Any advice? Is it unfeasible?
 
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Your points sound more like goals.

Where is the plan?

Plans are more detailed, but it's okay because your college will give you an advisor who can suggest courses to take. Then it will be up to you to study and pass them.

A plan might be to study Calculus 1 over the summer so that you can hit the road running in your Fall semester.

This is a noble idea that I followed many years ago, as I learned that you couldn't start Physics 1 without a background in Calculus 1 and 2 at the very least. My school allowed students to take Calculus 2 concurrently, but I opted to take Calculus 3 concurrently instead.

What did I lose?

Initially, my grades were okay, but as the semesters progressed, the courses became tougher, and my grades slipped. I realized that college taught things at a much faster pace than high school; a rate comparable to 1 year of college courses was equivalent to 3 years of high school.

When I graduated, my grades, while okay, gave graduate schools pause. They looked at the GPA more than the more challenging courses I took because I skipped past Calculus 1 and a few others on my way to a BS.

I lost a thorough conceptual understanding of Calculus 1 that could have helped me gain a deeper knowledge in my upper-division undergraduate courses. But that's the side effects of how college pushes you onward to greater things.

Another thing I did was work 20 to 30 hours per week, which helped pay for my schooling. I had a small scholarship that helped, but I took on a heavier course load (ie, we were allowed an extra "free" course per semester) while working, and my homework suffered as a result. In one course of Classical Mechanics, I was always a few days late with my homework. The prof would say my solutions were excellent, but since they were late, I lost a letter grade.

He funnily taught CM. We had classes on Mondays and Fridays, where he would assign homework on Monday to be due the following Monday. I figured I'd do all the homework over the weekend. However, he would often surprise us with additional problems on Friday, also due on Monday. I just couldn't handle the workload while working at the same time.

Consequently, those extra problems just overwhelmed me, and because I delayed working on them, I couldn't ask the professor any questions until Monday, when it was too late.

Being a commuter student was another challenge, as I never joined a study group. Had I been on campus and not working, I would have had more time to work in a study group to spend on the problems.

Nowadays, students are often distracted by many new things; work is not usually one of them, but gaming is. My nephew became a high-level character in a popular online game. We never knew this until one day my son's friend, who had become an admin at the gaming company, casually mentioned that my nephew spent eight hours a day gaming. I was shocked and asked my nephew about it, and he said he couldn't let his online teammates down. However, he managed to get by somehow.

My work reduced my college debt to zero within six months of graduating with a BS. The cost, however, was some burnout and a lost desire to attend graduate school. I took five years off and then returned to graduate school, with the downside of having lost some of my math edge, essentially having to relearn the rudiments of Calculus 1, 2, and 3, Linear Algebra, and Ordinary Differential Equations.

Your plan should navigate those waters and consider the pros and cons of courses, work, gaming, and other pastimes you have. You will need pastimes to keep yourself sane and healthy, but be mindful not to overdo them.

Take care,
Jedi
 
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jedishrfu said:
Your points sound more like goals.

Where is the plan?

Plans are more detailed, but it's okay because your college will give you an advisor who can suggest courses to take. Then it will be up to you to study and pass them.

A plan might be to study Calculus 1 over the summer so that you can hit the road running in your Fall semester.

This is a noble idea that I followed many years ago, as I learned that you couldn't start Physics 1 without a background in Calculus 1 and 2 at the very least. My school allowed students to take Calculus 2 concurrently, but I opted to take Calculus 3 concurrently instead.

What did I lose?

Initially, my grades were okay, but as the semesters progressed, the courses became tougher, and my grades slipped. I realized that college taught things at a much faster pace than high school; a rate comparable to 1 year of college courses was equivalent to 3 years of high school.

When I graduated, my grades, while okay, gave graduate schools pause. They looked at the GPA more than the more challenging courses I took because I skipped past Calculus 1 and a few others on my way to a BS.

I lost a thorough conceptual understanding of Calculus 1 that could have helped me gain a deeper knowledge in my upper-division undergraduate courses. But that's the side effects of how college pushes you onward to greater things.

Another thing I did was work 20 to 30 hours per week, which helped pay for my schooling. I had a small scholarship that helped, but I took on a heavier course load (ie, we were allowed an extra "free" course per semester) while working, and my homework suffered as a result. In one course of Classical Mechanics, I was always a few days late with my homework. The prof would say my solutions were excellent, but since they were late, I lost a letter grade.

He funnily taught CM. We had classes on Mondays and Fridays, where he would assign homework on Monday to be due the following Monday. I figured I'd do all the homework over the weekend. However, he would often surprise us with additional problems on Friday, also due on Monday. I just couldn't handle the workload while working at the same time.

Consequently, those extra problems just overwhelmed me, and because I delayed working on them, I couldn't ask the professor any questions until Monday, when it was too late.

Being a commuter student was another challenge, as I never joined a study group. Had I been on campus and not working, I would have had more time to work in a study group to spend on the problems.

Nowadays, students are often distracted by many new things; work is not usually one of them, but gaming is. My nephew became a high-level character in a popular online game. We never knew this until one day my son's friend, who had become an admin at the gaming company, casually mentioned that my nephew spent eight hours a day gaming. I was shocked and asked my nephew about it, and he said he couldn't let his online teammates down. However, he managed to get by somehow.

My work reduced my college debt to zero within six months of graduating with a BS. The cost, however, was some burnout and a lost desire to attend graduate school. I took five years off and then returned to graduate school, with the downside of having lost some of my math edge, essentially having to relearn the rudiments of Calculus 1, 2, and 3, Linear Algebra, and Ordinary Differential Equations.

Your plan should navigate those waters and consider the pros and cons of courses, work, gaming, and other pastimes you have. You will need pastimes to keep yourself sane and healthy, but be mindful not to overdo them.

Take care,
Jedi
This is actually quite good advice, thank you!
 
First I have to ask, have you been accepted to any of the schools you listed?
 
Beyond3D said:
I have a plan for my education post highschool;

BSc. Hons Physics + BSc. Hons Mathematics (UofT, UBC, Waterloo, Queens, McMaster, any other top school in Canada)
Masters Physics + Either MBA or Math Masters (Double degree of course, at a top american or international school)
PhD Physics (top school)

Any advice? Is it unfeasible?
* Why a BSc. Physics plus a BSc. Math? Either major by itself is a difficult one. Why a dual BSc.? In the US, you can simply take the math required for the physics courses and take additional math as electives (if desired). Do the Canadian schools you've listed allow you to do that?

* Why a dual Masters at a top American or international school? Why not a Canadian one?

* In the US, it is typical to pursue a PhD in Physics after a BS in Physics. A MS Physics is not required. If you wish to pursue a PhD in Physics after a Master's in Physics, I would not recommend that you pursue the Master's in Physics at a US school.

* Again, why a dual masters? Same questions for a Master's in Physics plus a Master's in Math as I had above for a dual BSc.

* In particular, the Master's in Physics plus an MBA doesn't make sense. I'm in the US and have several family members with an MBA. At least in the US, pursuing an MBA is most beneficial after you have ~5 yrs work experience, you want a career in management, and you want a promotion. Some of the top business schools in the US require minimum yrs of work experience to apply. And some employers will pay for some employees (on a promotion track) to get an MBA. I don't know how things work outside the US, though.
 
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1. None of the universities you've mentioned are going to permit you to do a dual degree. Actual dual degrees are few and far between. Ottawa allows some, but most with regards to doing a B.Eng + BSc. Fortunately for you, you don't need a double degree. Some of the schools you've mentioned will allow you to do a double major, and McMaster offers a combined major in Math and Physics, but those are not the same thing as a double degree. The difference lies in the number of mandatory courses for your major. If grad school is your goal, you're better off doing an Honours major (called a Specialist at UofT) which allows you to complete a senior year independent thesis and if you want more math courses, a minor in Math. That will give you a solid enough foundation for grad school.

2. With regards to your plan for a master's, you will not be able to get admitted to an MBA without work experience. That's a degree for after you start working. I would put that plan on the back shelf for now. You also don't need a master's in both Physics and Math. Just one is sufficient.

3. If your plan is to do a PhD at a "top school" in the US, there is no need to do a master's first. US Physics PhD programs admit straight from undergrad as they are integrated master's/PhD's. It is also sometimes possible to do an integrated PhD at Canadian universities like UofT, UBC, McGill. My son did his undergrad in Physics at McMaster (Honours Physics + minor in math) and was direct admitted to a PhD at UofT, so it can be done if your profile is strong enough.
 
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